Ukraine gave up their nukes 30 some years ago after US and Russia agreed to both protect their security....
So this "security" promise is pretty hollow
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They promised to not attack them, not to defend them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum
Clearly Russia broke that agreement, but the US, UK, France, and China haven't.
Proving yourself wrong with your own source.
"1. Seek immediate Security Council action to provide assistance to the signatory if they "should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used. "
To date, NONE of the signatories of the Budapest Memorandum have ever requested an Article 4 session in support of Ukraine.
- Russia has veto power on the security council, so there's really no point
- Nukes haven't been used
It also bars economic coercion....
There's also been a "ceasefire" in Gaza for over 2 months.
Trump got a soccer trophy for that. Goooooooooool! Gooolazo!
One side isn't fighting.
If I can see it would be useless, certainly all of Ukraine can, too.
The U.S. will not go to war against Russia when they invade again. Everyone knows that. Only NATO has a chance of actually helping protect Ukraine from the next invasion.
Yup
Russia has said it won’t accept the deployment in Ukraine of troops from NATO countries.
This includes the US. Basically, Russia is saying no one is allowed to actaully provide security for Ukraine, regardless of whatever paper promises are made.
Ukraine gave up their nukes 30 some years ago after US and Russia agreed to both protect their security....
So this "security" promise is pretty hollow
In situations like this, a punt can be the best plan.
Take a deal you know won't last, in the hopes before it falls apart you can join NATO/EU along with getting one on one treaties with a bunch of powerful countries who would be willing to join up.
It's hard to get that stuff signed when actively being invaded, because it immediately activates.
But even a single day pause is enough for other governments to get on board.
Source: Crusader Kings
Also, they already have a guarantee of protection from us that we're blatantly ignoring.
Well, Trump won't be alive next time Russia will invade them again.
If Russia actually waits 15 years. Or actually stops at all.
Russia might only have to wait 15 days. I hear our dear leaders brain is dieing
That either means the war just goes on a while as is and/or that Trump dies soon. Not sure I trust either one.
How is that different from the security guarantee we are already ignoring?
Have you considered that this one might have the word "bigly" in it somewhere?
There is no guarantee with trump in involved. The mans word is worthless.
Exactly one year from now: " This was a bad deal, put in place by Biden and we just have to get it changed. See, the nucular is the problem and Obama knew my uncle ar MIT, so we can fix this deal that Biden created. I have told Putin to not invade while we pull all our troops and funding out to make sure that Biden's terrible deal gets fixed in two weeks. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION! "
Why do you think it'll take that long?
Because Russia needs the year off to rebuild weapons and a functional army, well as functional as vodka and corruption can do.
Pooters can always advertise for more American evangelicals to move there. "3000 rubles bonus if you bring your teenage sons!"
And we all know what Trump's word is worth.
Didn’t they already have a security guarantee from the United States when they gave up their nukes?
...because we upheld the terms of the Budapest Memorandum so faithfully?
You can trust the American government, just ask any Native American. All of our treaties are still upheld…and strong…and *shot in the back.
A 10,000 year guarantee would have just as much weight
Don't trust them!
They had a security agreement with Russia that said Russia would never attack if Ukraine handed over their nuclear arsenal. And we are where we are today because of that.
Pinky promise?