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My rebuttal is that your mom's a bitch and there's no reason to pay attention to anything she says.

She's utterly wrong. Take Robin Williams as an example: he was famous, rich, loved by everybody, stupendously funny. Still had depression. Still suffered.

It has nothing to do with people's "value" or their work ethic.

That statement has as much empirical evidence behind it as stating that depression is caused by the lost souls of dead aliens from an ancient federation killed by an evil overlord being stuck to your person and generating negative thoughts as a result of their traumatic death.

Hitchen’s Razor is your ally; what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.

Tell your mom some random on the internet told her she can eat a bag of dicks.

1. All humans have an inherent value.
2. Depression has numerous contributing environmental, social, and biological factors.
3. Who asked bitch? Shut your dumb ass up.

Your mom is an asshole.

tell her to remember that as she ages and her "value" declines

Stop talking to your mother. She is a bad person and will have negative effects on your mental health.

There's no rebuttal. Some people are just wrong and honestly better of out of your life.

Also, I can't imagine she's just a great, enriching person except for those two opinions.

Prune her of your life.

You cannot logically rebut a bad worldview. Plant seeds of doubt, protect yourself, and move on.

Sorry to break it to you, your mom is an asshole.

Ask he what she thinks narcissism is.

Say something as equally callous and ridiculous but angled to harm them like “I think we should euthanize old people,” and then when they get upset say “that’s what you sound like, so shut the fuck up.”

I'm sorry you have to deal with that sort of toxicity in your family. There is no good rebuttal because it just seems like a lack of empathy, no one can make her care.

I'm sure that's rough for you. Wishing you happy holidays despite this callus friction. 💜❤️♥️😘

Man I haven’t seen this many people slam OP’s mom since the Great OP’s Mom Slamming of ‘03.

My rebuttal would be "people without empathy don't deserve to live either, but I'll spare you this time mother." Yeah, I don't see eye to eye with my mom much.

I'd tell them to shut the fuck up and not to speak that way about people in my presence.

My parents try to bait me into silly and shitty discussions like this, usually prompted by some conservative bullshit they saw on their preferred news program, and I just very simply say: "We can't discuss this because it is going to make me hate you." That's been enough to put an end to it for me.

You can't argue a person out of an irrational view.

Explaining brain chemistry and how dopamine works won't do it.

A belief like that is a way of signalling membership in an identity that the individual thinks benefits them. It's unlikely to change until that identity stops looking beneficial.

"OK, Boomer. "

You don't need to waste your time or mental energy rebutting things that are obviously ridiculous.

"why aren't you a millionaire? Hard work brings wealth. Lazy people like you don't have much value I guess."

Assuming you want to burn that bridge.

So the Nazi stance, basically.

Honestly, I'll take that over people who say depresses/disabled people have rights, but also don't want to actually provide any kind of means for them to exist. Both lack compassion but one is honest about it.

Your mom is unfortunately mentally ill. Whether from upbringing or from organic damage to the brain... who knows. There's really not much you can do about it - parents especially are highly unlikely to listen to advice or anything from their children. Try to remove yourself from your mother as far as possible. Minimal communication, minimal contact.

I don't think your mom has value. Guess I get to execute her if I want, and she doesn't get to whine about it.

I hope your parents are divorced and you can stay with your dad. If not, find someone else to stay with. Your mom is about as healthy as HIV.

My rebuttal is she's an asshole and should shut the fuck up

It's actually the other way around, depression causes laziness.

You’re mom’s an awful eugenics supporting cunt who isn’t worth speaking to and you would be better off cutting all contact than even looking at her.

Oh, she's in for a rude awakening one day

I don't think I'd have a rebuttal.

She might have had a hard life, dealt with a similar kind of depression that you have, and developed these maladaptive views as a way to get herself through dark times.

I know your mom isn't going to see a therapist, but I don't see how arguing with someone who has calcified mental trauma is going to help.

Value is a superficial, arbitrary concept. Their value view is different from other people's. Zoom out far enough, and you can argue that nothing has value. Look around, and you can attribute value to many things, countless times.

So, value to whom and in whose eyes? They can't find value to and for others.

Depression is not just an excuse for laziness.

Why does your mom think she can decide who deserves to live?

prove to me that you have value

And then demand that she proves every turtle on the way down. Money is not an indication of value because it has no inherent worth, etc.

Demand that she proves that your value is attributable to her and is not inherent to you. Etc.

Wow. Your mom has horrible opinions. If she has a lot more opinions on the same level, I'd cut ties altogether.

Measuring people by what they can give to others or to capitalism is utterly wrong. EVERYONE has value to someone else.

1. No point in arguing with someone who doesn't care enough to think critically about the situation. If you play chess with a pigeon, the outcome of the game doesn't matter. Its still gonna shit on the board and strut around like it won.

2. I know you didn't ask, but find you some green spaces. Depression isn't a choice, but choosing to be depressed in a less depressing place is. Control what you can.

Who is she to decide who deserves to live? God?

Of course, I'd hesitate to accept such a judgment from a god who presumably made those people that way. That would be a dick move.

As for pronouncements about mental health, I will accept citations, or maybe credentials. With neither, hers have no value.

"And what exactly makes YOU valuable?"

Nothing, someone with that world view isn't worth talking to. I've argued with enough brick walls in my life to recognize one.

Well, let me ask you. What do you gain by engaging with this point of view personally?

Your mom is a bitch.

Well, what is value ? What's her "value" ?

Helping others is of enormous value.

Tell your mom I don't see her value, she should consider seizing existence at my most earliest convenience. Seems fair?

Mostly joking but wtf is this cruel take from her? I'm sorry if you're having to battle this with her if you're struggling with things like depression anxiety