Haven’t We Learned From History?
Having elected a government that takes pride in not learning anything about anything, the answer is no.
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Haven’t We Learned From History? A War Against Venezuela Is a Clear Mistake
(nationalsecurityjournal.org)
Thinking the same thing. Weak title. Should have been something like “US Continues Flagrantly Ignoring Lessons from History…”
I mean, who do I vote for if I want the country to learn from history and hold all of our war criminals and torturers and traitors accountable? Obama didn't hold anyone in Bush's administration accountable like he should have, Biden appointed Garland to make sure Republicans would be protected (and, like, he'd been mister forget and forgive going all the way back to Strom Thurmond), etc. This country desperately needs to reckon with its history, but there are no influential voices in either party really interested in doing that.
e; Yeah, just had to double check but both Hillary and Joe voted for war with Iraq in 2002. If we learned anything from history scumbags like that couldn't get a volunteer position with their local United Way, let alone be presidential nominees.
Never said I had a solution.
Ferengi Rule of Acquisition 34: War is good for business
THAT is what we learned from history. what we didn't learn from history is to stop electing billionaires and their puppets.
The article doesn't really address any of the reasons why a war against Venezuela would be a mistake. Instead it functions more as a review of America's history of inflating threats from minor nations to justify wars of regime change. Good summary for anyone who would find such a thing useful, but not really what I was looking for.
I think there actually does need to be more discussion of the strategic landscape of a war with Venezuela, because even on the left it seems like most people are contemplating this purely as a moral hazard - if we do this we're the bad guys - without also assessing the real human costs. The occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan cost thousands of lives, destroyed thousands more, left devastation in their wake and (by no means the most important factor, but still a significant one) ballooned the US national debt by trillions.
Americans balk at the cost of helping Ukraine, but it's pennies on the dollar compared to the cost of the "War on Terror", is doing massive damage to a major adversary, and hasn't cost a single American life. But now you all want to send your boys (I'd say "and girls" but Hegseth won't be having any of that) to die in a jungle against socialists again, because the last time that went so great?
I agree wholeheartedly. A practical discussion should be had first. Some of the real concerns:
Securing oil for whatever conflict they are brewing. (China probably, whether they view China as a military aggressor or a threat to their hegemony in general).
Energy needs because we are so crazy far behind in our electrical generation.
What will Venezuela, and more importantly their sons after we criminally murder swathes of their people, do? Are we looking at more 9/11? We will certainly deserve it but is their culture setup for such?
How about South America in general?
What about China et al? Will they back Venezuela? The oil there is a very important resource in whatever is coming up.
Then we can moralize.
The dishonesty over the premise is absolutely disgusting though. The action is as well but the lies… that part is weak af.
Then we can moralize.
I don’t think people are wrong to point out how wrong this is morally. I despise how ethics are seen as irrelevant when operating at a large scale. Everything is about the material cost and benefit to us.
The advantage of framing things this way, however, is that a significant portion of this country have demonstrated that they don’t give a shit about morality. So maybe arguments based solely on our own self-interest could convince them. Maybe…
A war against Venezuela is a clear mistake for who? Some people will get very rich from that war. The rest of the country and the poor victims in Venezuela will pay the price but they don't care about that.
If Americans were capable of learning from history, they wouldn't have elected Trump and the GOP would be in Prison.
Trump has been president twice. Clearly many people are not learning shit.
You haven't learned from history because there's a fucking fascist in office and you're rounding people into camps
Of course this war is a gross mistake. Like everything else the current administration does.
Stupidest question of the day.
This article is treating this war as if it has serious intentions and it’s not just Trump doing anything and everything to distract from his incompetent government robbing Americans blind as well as his paedophilia.
Literally the only thing that matters is what Fox News and MAGA influencers tell their constituients to drum up support. And with how Venezuela is demonized, they're already halfway there.
I don't even know who this article is for. No one searching for this. No one who knows how to use a web browser (as opposed to just scrolling apps) is going to read this. No policymaker wants to go to war with Venezuela because they think its a threat, and if they do they're way beyond reading and trusting the National Security Journal.
Think about who we're talking about and ask that question again.
Sure, it's rhetorical, but still...