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[โ€“] Eiri@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'm kinda shocked people have strong opinions on fighter planes of all things. I barely know those two models of plane exist. I would answer "don't know".

[โ€“] porcoesphino@mander.xyz 9 points 2 days ago

Come on mate. Elbows up

The question was not only about the fighter jets themself. The participants got the necessary information in the question, see the caption in the graphics.

[โ€“] Sunshine@piefed.ca 6 points 2 days ago

Someone hasnโ€™t been paying attention.

[โ€“] cabbage@piefed.social 6 points 2 days ago

Big investments like this are often very politicized-even before Trump and all-because it's to a large degree just geopolitics. Gripen is in all likelihood the better alternative, but F35 has been considered an excellent choice for countries wishing to suck up to America. Until recently sucking up to America was considered good defense policy among parts of the political spectrum.

[โ€“] wewbull@feddit.uk 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Do you know that the aircraft need servicing after every flight, otherwise it's grounded, and that supplies would come from the country of origin? US for F35. Sweden for Grippen.

Does that change your outlook?

[โ€“] Kjell@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lots of parts on Gripen are from US, but they will at least get less money.

[โ€“] wewbull@feddit.uk 2 points 1 day ago

It's not about money. It's about which country you trust to keep supplying you and not use your dependency to control how and when you use your planes.

[โ€“] Eiri@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I guess, but I still wouldn't feel qualified enough to offer a confident answer. There are lots of factors.

[โ€“] wewbull@feddit.uk 4 points 1 day ago

So in Europe there was a desire to send F35s into conflict in Ukraine. US said no by saying that servicing supplies would not be made available.

Sovereign nations are unable to use their planes how they want to.

Now with Gripen it might be a similar situation, but Sweden has been trustworthy thus far.

[โ€“] skozzii@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

Only 40% of F-35 planes are currently operational during non war times.

Now imagine how difficult it would be to keep this in the air during war when US keeps the parts for their own planes.

Now even further, imagine a world when the US is either a neutral party or an enemy, and zero of those planes are flying.

[โ€“] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Interesting. I wonder why they're considering the Gripen instead of the Eurofighter Typhoon (German/British/Italian/Spanish) or Dassault Rafale (French). To be honest I really don't know what the differences would be.

[โ€“] HansGruber@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The interesting feature of the gripen is it's ability to land on rural roads. Sweden has many of those and Canada also. Another interesting feature is it's maintainability, just 6 man crew, fuel and ammo on a road between nowhere is enough for the gripen.

I see, thanks for the info. Anyway it's good to see Canada wanting to buy defence equipment from Europe instead of the now unreliable US.

[โ€“] klairman@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

This is the way! Not as technologically advanced as the F-35, but much better than a switched-off F-35 anyway.

[โ€“] Drekaridill@lemmy.wtf 2 points 2 days ago

Can't believe 12% chose North Korea

[โ€“] mrdown@lemmy.world -1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Jets is the least needed thing for a non existant threat