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Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has reaffimed his firm refusal to cede any territory, resisting U.S. pressure for a painful compromise with Russia as he continued to rally European support for Ukraine.

“Undoubtedly, Russia insists for us to give up territories. We, clearly, don’t want to give up anything. That’s what we are fighting for,” Zelenskyy said in a WhatsApp chat late Monday in which he answered reporters’ questions.

“Do we consider ceding any territories? According to the law we don’t have such right. According to Ukraine’s law, our constitution, international law, and to be frank, we don’t have a moral right either.”

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[–] ProfThadBach@lemmy.world 138 points 2 days ago

As an American I stand with Ukraine.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 74 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (63 children)

Good.

Meanwhile, I'm eagerly waiting for the local Tankie to, once again, explain how so much death is justified by the dire threat Ukraine poses to a 17 million square kilometer country with 5,459 nuclear warheads. And, apparently, to their own people. I'm sure NATO is still making them do it, yep.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 40 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Haven't you heard, it's because everyone in Ukraine is a nazi. Not the invader! the invadee. Nazis, all of them.

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[–] tomiant@piefed.social 65 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I'm rallied.

We all are.

It's up to the rich cunts.

And they act in their self interest, so it's basically a dice roll. Oh, also, Russia controls USA, and USA controls the world, so I'm kind of hunkering down and trying to find an AK at this point.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 30 points 2 days ago (4 children)

We all are.

Far from it. A lot of people in Europe are brainwashed by Russian propaganda, even more people are not doing that great and will not sacrifice anything to help Ukraine. In many countries the right is either in power or very close to getting it. Each government is very carefully calculating how to keep the war going without losing the next elections. I think European troops should have been providing air defense to western Ukraine from the very beginning of the war but half or most of the people (depending on the country) don't support sending any troops there.

[–] tomiant@piefed.social 8 points 2 days ago

I know.

I meant us, us who are. I don't even know what I mean anymore. It's like fighting an avalanche of stupidity. How can people be so blind?

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[–] sircac@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago

Slava ukraini

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 62 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Giving bullies what they demand usually works out super well.

[–] Rusty@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It worked great when Chamberlain pressured Czechoslovakia to cede territory to Nazi Germany. Everyone was happy and nothing bad came out of it.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 56 points 1 day ago (6 children)

The biggest loss of the Trump administration will be that the rest of the world realized they could go on without America.

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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 55 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I even think the headline is a little offensive, acting as if ceding land is even an option. They ceded land to Russia a decade ago and they're still getting attacked. WW2 should have taught us that you can't appease guys like Putin and Hitler.

[–] ODGreen@lemmy.ca 30 points 2 days ago (3 children)

They didn't cede land back then either, it got taken over.

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[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 52 points 2 days ago

Slava mother fucking Ukraini

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If a prolific murderer and a felon rapist pedophile were pressuring me to give up what my fellow countrymen were dying for, I'd say no too.

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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

When a home invader breaks in, just let him keep the living room, as long as he stays out of the kitchen and bedrooms. It's a reasonable compromise.

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[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 40 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Europe should stop acting like Trump is a reasonable person. He is not. And he is a Russian asset.

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 40 points 1 day ago (7 children)

If anyone in the Trump administration had any brains at all, this would have been obvious from the outset.

The only people who can see advantage to Ukraine seeding territory to Russia, is Russia. Everyone else involved can see what a monumental tactical error that would be. Especially since everybody knows the only reason Russia is even at the negotiating table is because they are desperate, given that is the case, there is zero reason to capitulate.

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[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 29 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Zelensky should ask Trump how much American land he is willing to give Putin.

[–] LifeLikeLady@lemmy.world 14 points 18 hours ago

That's easy. All of it.

[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago

Well, he's already let ol' man Vlad sniff around Alaska, so...

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[–] emax_gomax@lemmy.world 28 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (3 children)

Isnt this how russia took crimea. What makes anyone believe this'll be the last time.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

And wasn't Trump bitching about how Obama allowed Russia to take over Crimea? Yet he's doing the same, even worse right now. But of course it's hardly news to any sane person that he is a two faced lying hypocritical bitch.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 9 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Don't forget that 20% of Georgias internationally recognized borders are held by Russia as well, taken when Bush was President.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Ukraine still officially contests Crimea. It hasn't been surrendered.

But there's also no real expectation Ukraine can retake the territory in their current position. And the longer the war drags on, the more territory they're in a position to lose.

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[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I'm a long way from fully versed in the intricate power plays involved here etc etc, but I'm amazed Russia didnt roll over them, and I'm pretty appalled that the world didnt rally behind Ukraine.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

Thanks Trump

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[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 days ago

We stand with Ukraine!

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

After reading the comments. Is Shawn working from the Russian Embassy in Washington DC? The clown fails to understand that nobody with a sane mind wants to be occupied nor influenced by the damn Russians.

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[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago

I fully agree on the ethics and morals of it, but I also believe that Zelenskyy isn't unaware of the larger situation here and has good reason to put down his foot.

In the end this is also going to be a litmus test for Russia's Hybrid Warfare. Let it not succeed.

I hope the powers that be act accordingly before Ukrainians had enough of being pummeled. Well, I think they already had enough, but before it gets so bad that nothing will keep them fighting anymore.

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