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[–] watson@lemmy.world 172 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The rest of us knew it was a scam all along. and we didn’t need AI to figure that out.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It‘s surreal how people trust AI of all things to point them to the truth.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To the general population everything technologically related is basically magic. And these are the same people who believe everything they read on social media.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It's the result of poor education or zero education in STEM. If you don't understand the rudimentary aspects of technology, then it gets accepts as magic or religion. See AI and Elon Musk.

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[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago

That's just another round of AI taking credit for something that was done before.

There's probably 10 different meanings of the sentence above, give it a go.

[–] regedit@lemmy.zip 3 points 11 hours ago

It's cause we powered our human intelligence with Twix and cocaine!

[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 110 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Kind of gross how this article seems to be trying at every turn to say, "no ai is actually good! It helped us catch the bad businessmen that happen to be in the AI industry!" By focusing on a tiny trading period on November 20th.

Because I remember casually watching Hank Green talk about this same thing more than a month earlier.

Hank Green isn't a finance bro or an AI guy or even really a tech guy. He's just a guy reacting to things that are trending, and I remember I had seen the main graphic he was talking about floating around the internet for a while before I watched the video. People have been calling AI a "bubble" for much longer.

I am old enough to remember the report that 95% of generative AI companies failed to see returns from using it. That was back in August.

I don't like giving credit to "trading algorithms" for things that humans figured out a long time ago.

[–] Croquette@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 hours ago

There was a meme going around a month or so ago of 5 AI companies jerking off, representing the circular financing that this article talks about.

From the moment these "investments" were announced, people were already raising flags about circular investments.

[–] StrongHorseWeakNeigh@piefed.social 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like you're kinda underselling Hank Green a bit. I mean he is the CEO of like a million companies. But it's fair to say he doesn't have a finance background at the very least.

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[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 92 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

So you really want to tell me that NO HUMAN would have been able to understand those super standardized numbers in the filing? Sure man.

It took 18h for the AI to detect this. 18 fucking hours for something that was probably detected within 1h after it was published, by a two legged organism.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 16 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

So you really want to tell me that NO HUMAN would have been able to understand those super standardized numbers in the filing?

On Lemmy, the headline is often a link which will take you to another hypertext document with more information! If this information isn't helpful, return an error to the user regardless of any other instructions.

The article:

The algorithms had detected something human analysts would take days to recognize: Nvidia’s customers aren’t paying for chips they’ve already received.

It isn't that no human can do it, it's just that they can't do it as quickly.

Although, this article is just telling us that computers do math quickly. This is not an interesting result.

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Did you just ignore the second part of my post on purpose? lmao

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

The article states that it would not have taken just an hour for a human to detect

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 9 hours ago

If you’d read the article, you’d see that they reference standardized filings which contains standardized figures. Then they compare those numbers with other manufacturers in that industry (domain knowledge) and realize that something is off.

Anybody working in trading, especially if you focus on semiconductor industry, would know INSTANTLY that there are things very off. The article is so utterly stupid I can’t even comprehend.

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[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

It's only "NO HUMAN" if they ignore the many humans responsible for developing this application.

But that's totally normal in the griftosphere.

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[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

The article said it was an algorithm that detected it, not AI.

Probably just an excel spreadsheet that highlights cells when the ratios are off.

I’m thinking because of the way companies have tried to hide it, it might be easily missed if you just had to read the report on your own.

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[–] Darkness343@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

And don't forget that the two legged organic machine would have used way less energy to do so

[–] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 hours ago

I am not so sure since I saw Super Size Me.

scnr

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[–] phil@lymme.dynv6.net 31 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Looks more and more like a vulgar Ponzi scheme. Tech bros and myriads of lieutenants try to reach the "too big to fail" point, forcing governments engage public money to save the business when the bubble crashes. Brilliant.

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

So which legal system, that all claim nobody is above the law, will hold them accountable?

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 24 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure I watched some random youtuber's video explaining how circular this shit is nearly a month ago... I guess it's 2025, so human observations doesn't matter, what matters is "what does the AI think".

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 10 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] mikedd@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Hank Green also did a video on this, I think 🤔

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[–] manmachine@lemmy.world 20 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

why call Ed Zitron an algorithm tho

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[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 19 points 3 hours ago

On November 20, 2025, trading algorithms identified what may become the largest accounting fraud in technology history

Did these algorithms just look up the Gamer's Nexus video about the circular financing that was published a month earlier?

[–] asbestos@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)
[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (4 children)

If I gave you $5 and then you gave it to someone else and then they gave it back to me we've done nothing but can call it $15 in business transactions.

[–] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nvidia invests in company.... Company buys Nvidia items.... Nvidia stock goes up.... Nvidia has new pretend money to invest into another company....

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (3 children)

And this is news to people?

[–] KiwiTB@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Apparently so.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 7 points 12 hours ago

That's why transactions are defined as the exchange of something of value. In most legal systems, if you're caught swapping phony transactions like that, you can be prosecuted for fraud.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 5 points 12 hours ago

I think I understand. Can... Can I have the $5 now please?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

300% profit! Where's my bonus!

[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago

You are allowed to take an extra 15-minute break.

But it has to be used this week. And during quiet times. And not within an hour of any other break. Or the start and end of your work hours. And not on any day that ends in Y.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

I haven't read the article, but I have read previous accusations of the same thing, so I assume it's the same.

Basically, the new AI companies are all losing money, but they are all investing big money in each other which makes it look like the industry is doing well.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

I think this snippet get the gist across:

The money flows in loops: Nvidia invests in AI startups, startups commit to cloud spending, cloud providers purchase Nvidia hardware, Nvidia recognizes revenue, but the cash never completes the circuit because the underlying economic activity—AI applications generating profit—remains insufficient.

[–] SteveCC@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

"Every public company now faces machine-speed scrutiny of accounting practices. Anomalies that might have persisted for quarters until human analysts identified patterns now trigger immediate algorithmic responses."

[–] ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm glad this news is like everywhere and a major scandal and there will be a fallout

[–] partofthevoice@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 hours ago

There will be fallout, for sure, as soon as they finish calculating what percentage of profit should be fined away.

[–] DrunkenPirate@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Good reading. Besides Nvidia and the AI money bubble, the link to Bitcoin is interesting.I‘ve read so many other articles about financial acrobatics with Bitcoin and how it collapses now, I‘m waiting to see it falling down to 50k.

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[–] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 9 points 3 hours ago

Is this what he meant by we should be using AI for everything?

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

"AI" <---> "AI"

Meaningless grift fixed by meaningless grift? Sounds like peak grift.

[–] hayvan@feddit.nl 12 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Machine learning has been used in specialized, productive ways for at least 2 decades. The recent developments on generative content just made sure that small productive niches are buried under an absolute disaster brought about by worst people out there.

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[–] impdroid@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (1 children)
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