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[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 176 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (5 children)

It was possible to skip Vista and go straight from XP to 7. You could even use the same PC.

It was possible to skip 8 and go straight from 7 to 10. You could even use the same PC.

This time around, Microsoft is forcing Windows 11 as the only option, forcing people to throw away their machines, and it is backfiring on them. People are rejecting it and the competition (Linux) has never been as good as it is today.

The executive also noted that 500 million PCs don't meet Windows 11's system requirements

So much unnecessary e-waste. I never want to hear about how 'green' or 'sustainable' Microsoft is again.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 44 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (3 children)

Apparently some are even opting to reinstall Windows 7 rather than the trash fire that is 11. It seems like 10 was never loved, merely tolerated, and as MS continues to enshittify 10 in an attempt to force people onto 11 some are just going back to the previous good version of Windows.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 17 points 14 hours ago (7 children)

Those people are stupid. Run a version of windows that won't make you part of a botnet and make you my problem or don't run it at all.

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[–] RustyShackleford@lemmy.zip 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I reinstalled Windows 7 on my laptop and dual-boot Linux and Windows 11 on my desktop.

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[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Anyone who asks me about this is getting the “At least try Linux for free first before buying a new computer.

Another example I have is that my mother-in-law is retired. You think she needs a new computer? Nope! She’s getting Linux before a new computer. The only other option for her would be an iPad since she’s just browsing the web anyway.

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[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 12 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

You could install windows 10 on something designed for windows XP, provided it has enough RAM

The reason w11 needs a new PC is pure marketing, it doesn't actually need some specific feature that is present on 8th gen Intel CPUs but not on 7th gen Intel CPUs

[–] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 9 points 11 hours ago

They need it to run ai and bloat whithout it grinding to a halt.

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 66 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Gee, I can't imagine why that could be.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 24 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

Oh, I can think of a few reasons.

You know it's bad when even I switch to linux. I don't understand linux. I literally back up my entire hard drive everytime I attempt to do ANYTHING. Because I WILL screw up my whole system to the point it won't boot. I've done it many times over the coarse of the past year.

Then I gotta spend a whole day waiting for things to restore from backup. And then whatever I WAD trying to do, still isn't done.

That has been my experience using linux this past year.

But Windows 11? No.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 31 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Idk wtf you guys are doing.

[–] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 17 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Even my parents haven't screwed up the Linux Mint I set up for them to use. I'm super curious what in the world breaks it so bad that it doesnt boot.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

It's definitively something along the lines of "knows just enough to be dangerous"

Like, sure, I've also broken my Linux system, but I'm deliberately running distros like arch and doing things that the average user would never do, like, say, messing with the bootloader.

If you just install something like bazzite or mint, and use it like a normal user would, the risk for something breaking should be really low

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[–] vividspecter@aussie.zone 22 points 11 hours ago

I think you need Bazzite in your life (or some other immutable distro). But hey, fucking things up and recovering from it is how I learned both Windows and then Linux so there are upsides.

[–] Quazatron@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

That's how you level up in Linux. You break things, learn what you did wrong and do better next time. Linux won't hold your hand, you can and will shoot yourself in the foot.

You are doing it right by having backups and playing it safe. You'll be ok.

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[–] chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world 14 points 15 hours ago

"Why don't you like our copilot features?" -Microshit-

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 41 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (5 children)

I want to qualify this comment with the fact that I am not a super gamer. Most my games are older. The newest and most demanding game I play is Cyberpunk 2077. Most my other games are multiple years older and less demanding.

I finally switched full time to a Linux desktop OS. I have used Linux more or less daily for decades, the first distro I ever installed was Slackware what feels forever ago. But until Valve put the work into running games on linux for their Steam deck I felt I was trapped needing to have Windows to play games. I have even spent the last decade forcing myself to rely more and more on cross platform available FOSS dreaming of some day making a permanent switch. Honestly it was so easy for me to switch at this point, most games pretty much just ran. My biggest problem took a bit to grok and it was just because some games do not like running in proton from an NTFS partition. I have NVME and SATA SSDs separate from my boot drive that I used to install games on and it was trivial to reformat the NVME drive to a more Linux friendly filesystem and I have not had an issue since. Eventually I'll do the SATA drive but I'm lazy and those games are working fine so far. You will absolutely have problems with some games, especially some that have overbearing anti-cheat systems, but man this has been so easy I couldn't really have imagined. The only non-gaming problem was a document scanner we own that is not supported by SANE. I could not find a solution to run it on Linux so I just spun up a Tiny 11 copy of Windows in a VM and passed it through. We only use it a couple times a year so this is an acceptable compromise to me. The VM doesn't have Internet access, it just sees a local drive as a network share. All it can do is scan something and save it to the shared drive so I can access it in Linux.

I chose Linux Mint because I am well versed with Debian and Ubuntu. But I suggest anyone new to Linux give Bazzite a shot. It's designed to be a lot harder for you to break. It's also more optimized for gaming if that's your focus. For me gaming is a requirement but I've never felt the need for top tier performance.

The path from 3.1 to 11 has been such a sour one and the last thing I am willing to put up with is being the product in the eyes of my desktop OS. My computer is mine and it will do what I want it to do or it will do nothing at all.

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[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 40 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I would imagine a big reason being that windows 11 doesnt work on a ton of older systems which meant nobody upgraded to it and instead lived out the life of the hardware until they actually needed to buy something new. The crazy part to me is older systems wasnt even that long ago. I remember when 11 came out and saw a bunch of systems only 2 years old that weren't compatible. I said screw it and just forced it on them and honestly I have had no issues on about 3 different systems so whatever I guess.

[–] throws_lemy@reddthat.com 20 points 17 hours ago

That makes sense. Upgrading your PC/laptop when RAM and SSD prices are skyrocketing is ridiculous.

[–] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 9 points 16 hours ago (5 children)

I recently bought a tpm 2.0 chip for a 7th Gen intel and found out that win 11 will install on 7th Gen without any hacks when done fresh from a usb install, and it only checks for tye existence of tpm 2.0. The cpu Gen block is 100% a choice MS made it seems, likely because not all 7th Gen capable motherboards had tpm or expansion slots so they just went "screw them, all 7th Gen and lower is blocked".

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[–] imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 10 hours ago

Obviously. There is no particular reason to switch from old 7th or older gen intel CPUs since with 16GB (or even with 8) of RAM one can browse internet and use OFFICE 365 with no issues. And what most of people do with their computers at work?

Unless PC is used to render 3D/Video/DAW Audio/heavy VMs - there is no fucking need to buy new PC just to upgrade to win11. MS shot themselves in a foot with this one.

[–] lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 27 points 12 hours ago (1 children)
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[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 26 points 17 hours ago (12 children)

At some point, I need to get around to installing Mint on my desktop. Maybe this weekend, but probably not.

[–] Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 17 hours ago

It was extremely easy when I did it. Had everything running in 20 min. The real drag was me wanting to use a more efficient file system, so I spent a day converting my drives to ext4.

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 11 points 16 hours ago

Do it this weekend.

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[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 26 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, it may be the decreased quality and increased openly aggressive data collection

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 23 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I use windows 10 at home while I use windows 11 at work. The only thing I like about windows 11 is tabs in the file explorer. Besides that I've had to deal with Windows Explorer crashing on a daily basis, task bar freezing completely multiple times a week, certain software straight up not working that I need to get work done, programs crashing that work perfectly fine on 10, internet connectivity issues (usually DNS for some fucking reason), periodically hearing the disconnect sound for a device even when everything is still working, awful drop down menus, needing to change the registry just to get basic features that 10 has, and the list goes on and on. At home everything just works. I've been testing Linux and have been getting better stability than Windows 11 and I feel like every week there's a new problem.

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[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 22 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

My 78 year old mother bought a new laptop, windows 11.

Immediately I had to remote in because of some S mode BS which just put you in the MS only application environment.

3 months later and somehow she fubarred her login and can't use her new laptop. There's probably an easy fix, but since she hates windows 11 and wants to go back to 10, I suggested Linux.

So it will be a Merry Christmas for my mom when I visit and install IDK? Some version that's super simple. Anything is better than what she currently has

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 33 points 13 hours ago

Can't go wrong with good old Linux Mint

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[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 20 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

It's almost like "you have to buy a new laptop to install it and help train our AI on your private documents" is somehow not convincing enough. Maybe if they also removed local accounts and forced you to have an online MS account? Nah scratch that, it would be stupid

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 20 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Because 8 was garbage and people got rid of it as soon as possible. 10 was actually good, and 11 was barely a change functionally until they started messing with the ads push, and now they're shoving LLM bullshit in to justify their exorbitant expenditures on the half functional tech.

[–] TBi@lemmy.world 10 points 8 hours ago (7 children)

Yep. I Kept 7 for as long as possible but had to upgrade so 10 was next. I wouldn’t move to 11 if support continued for 10.

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[–] Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 17 points 17 hours ago (10 children)

The executive also noted that 500 million PCs don't meet Windows 11's system requirements while the others don't need a hardware upgrade to run the OS. Although this would indicate that 500 million PCs would potentially be replaced with newer alternatives capable of running Windows 11 at some point, Clarke hinted at "roughly flat" sales for Dell PCs would moving forward . Clarke didn't explain the reasoning behind this statement , but it could mean that people are just not that interested in upgrading to Windows 11 PCs.

It's a simple reason. Everybody is abandoning dell in droves for lenovo in enterprise environments.

I used to buy dell exclusively for laptops across over a decade at multiple organizations where I determined hardware standards and purchasing. Everyone always wanted a x1 carbon or thinkpad but the prices were too high. This is no longer the case. Now everyone gets a thinkpad or x1 carbon where I work at least, and statistics for market share are heavily on the lenovo side now.

That's how I see it anyway. This has nothing to do with windows 11, it's just another service pack when you're managing everything via GPO/intune/sccm/whatever.

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[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 16 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Windows 11 brings change but no significant features. The general population hates change.

[–] rigatti@lemmy.world 12 points 15 hours ago

What do you mean? Now I get the feature of not being to click on the clock on my second monitor to open the calendar! I had been waiting for that feature for ages.

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[–] unknownuserunknownlocation@kbin.earth 15 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Even slower than Windows 10? That's impressive...

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 22 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I mean if you tell 50% of your client base they have to buy a new PC...

Especially, in the current economic climate.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 10 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

with all the AI and bloat hogging up your memory im not surprised if its just there to peddle ADVERTISEMENTS 100% OF THE TIME.

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 14 points 4 hours ago (10 children)

Blows my mind seeing people look on windows 10 as some kind of last bastion, apparently not realizing that was Windows 7 at best.

10 is the one where they fucked up the UX beyond repair, made everything slow and added insane amounts of spying. If you willingly switched to 10 then don't pretend like 11 is a bridge too far now.

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I still can't grasp that Microsoft, a $3.6 trillion company, developed a new settings interface but failed to migrate all settings to it, forcing users to use both. Even I know that's day one UX shite and I'm quite stupid.

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[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 13 points 6 hours ago (6 children)

10 had at least SOME good in it, at first i didnt want to move on from 7 but when i finally did it was okay. Everything i have heard about 11 is awful, and i wasnt very pleased with it myself either when i tried it at work, though i was able to mostly ignore it since it was just my work pc.

And now after switching to mint, idea of using 11 is preposterous.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

This article is trash, it mentions existing windows 10 features in windows 11 like it's a groundbreaking new technology.

Virtual desktops and clipboard manager? Cmon man we've been having that for years now

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[–] carrylex@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago
[–] MrMeanJavaBean@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

I couldn't be happier, ditching Windows for Linux.

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