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Kyiv has been offered a “Kremlin peace plan” under the guise of negotiations. The US and Russia have reportedly prepared a peace plan for Ukraine that would involve Kyiv meeting the Kremlin’s maximalist demands, says Christopher Miller, a correspondent for the Financial Times.

At the same time, Reuters sources report that the US indicated to President Volodymyr Zelenskyy that Kyiv should accept Washington-prepared frameworks for ending the war with Russia. It remains unclear what security guarantees would be given for Kyiv, as there is no evidence that the Kremlin has abandoned its imperial ambitions.

Earlier, Axios wrote that Washington and Moscow were discussing a new peace plan to end Russia’s war against Ukraine.

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[–] yakko@feddit.uk 168 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Fundamentally unserious "just admit defeat" type of offering. The real signal is that the US is still a painfully unreliable ally.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 73 points 16 hours ago

The US is a shit stain on the world stage.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.world 45 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The same type of plan the west and in fact China and Russia back up for palestinians. Both Ukraine and Palestine should not give up a single inch of land to the occupiers and desfinitely not surrended armed resistance

[–] Coyote_sly@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago

God damn right.

[–] tirednapstablook@lemmings.world 22 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

US is extremely reliable when it comes to Israel.

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago

True, even the democrats would rather lose the election than to criticise israel

[–] ICCrawler@lemmy.world 16 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

And yet, for being so painfully unreliable, especially with the ruling parties flip-flopping back and forth so much, USA aid is still sought after. 🙄

I imagine as Zelensky has said so many times before, Ukraine won't cede shit. Hopefully, he tells them both to go kick rocks.

[–] yakko@feddit.uk 15 points 16 hours ago

It's like Smeagol/Gollum. You might need them for certain shit, but you know it's going to end in tears.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 9 points 11 hours ago

Why wouldn't Ukraine take anything the US is willing to give? Worst case scenario, they don't give anything and you're in the same place you started.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 69 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It is said to have been inspired by the Trump administration’s efforts to broker a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.

That explains a lot. Basically "reward the aggressor" and "prevent any possibility for future armed resistance"

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago

Also “create a news event that will make Trump look like he’s accomplished something,” non matter how meaningless it is on the ground.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 56 points 11 hours ago

Zelenskyy better say thank you!

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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 52 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

"You can have peace. Just surrender to our rule!"

Reminder that bullying exists from the school yard all the way to international politics.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 3 points 8 hours ago

That's because the bullies never matured past the school yard.

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 48 points 14 hours ago

Putin just keeps grabbing us by the Trump.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 42 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

So basically, allow the invaders to invade your country without resistance?

[–] Red_October@lemmy.world 23 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

And then wait for them to do it again in about 10 years to grab for even more. It's not a peace plan, it's surrender.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 18 points 8 hours ago

"Make Russian your official language!"

10 Years Later

"We must invade and claim territory, the majority of the population speaks Russian so obviously it's already Russia"

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

More: "Make this retroactively legal so we can avoid war crime trials and damages".

[–] kami@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

I for one prefer full scale war than this.

SLAVA UKRAINI!

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 20 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

When will someone explain to Donald that Russia only respects power. Always has always will.

Slap them hard enough and often enough and THEN negotiate.

Maybe a tomahawk to one of Putins personal villas?

[–] collar@lemmy.world 33 points 13 hours ago

Trump admires this. He doesnt see Putin as an enemy, but an inspiration. Same reason MBS was welcomed the way he was at the White House, while people like Zelenskyy are mocked and scolded when they arrive.

[–] blave@lemmy.world 19 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I can hear Zelenskyy laughing from here

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 17 points 16 hours ago

“Oh wait you’re serious let me laugh harder” - Zelenskyy, pribably

[–] card797@champserver.net 14 points 13 hours ago
[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Does anyone think Ukraine is going to roll over for trump?

[–] thefluffiest@feddit.nl 8 points 14 hours ago

Vlad and Donnie don’t know peace, they only know vassals

[–] Professorozone@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Stupid title made it sound like Ukraine made the offer.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

I'm trying to figure out if that was intentional, or they're just really fucking bad at their job.

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children)
[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 7 points 14 hours ago

It's going to collapse about the same way soon enough too.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -4 points 14 hours ago

What the hell do you even mean by this? In what way is it acting not like it always has?

[–] Nerrad@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

Every month I buy a field med kit for Ukraine through White Stork. I am so sorry about Trump, Ukraine. So utterly sorry.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 14 hours ago

US sees their cementing the occupation in Palestine and wants to do the same here.