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[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 96 points 22 hours ago (9 children)

Those got to be the dumbest people our country has to offer 😂

[–] tburkhol@lemmy.world 30 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

Dunno, man: 40% of Americans believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old. Only 2% of them believe it's flat, though. We are not an information-rich culture.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 points 18 hours ago

If you bring religion into the mix, even intelligent people are more likely to believe ridiculous claims. Being indoctrinated from birth is a powerful thing.

[–] BruceAlrighty@lemmy.nz 5 points 7 hours ago

79% of Americans believe in some imaginary sky friends.

[–] MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I disagree. There is no shortage of information. It's just mixed in with a shitload of misinformation, disinformation, and bullshit, garnished with slop and irrelevant garbage to also have to sift through to find anything useful.

And we stopped teaching kids how to differentiate because we thought it would be more important to prove through standardized tests that kids are meeting curricula, but that means we all memorized "the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell" without actually breaking down what that phrase means.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 4 points 18 hours ago

Yeah, having information available isn't useful in and of itself. You have to be able to think critically to be able to pick out what has merit and what does not.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago

We are in an over-rich information culture, we just have some really undescerning people who don't know truth from lies when being bombarded with it all.

[–] pyria@kbin.melroy.org 23 points 22 hours ago

They are probably the same people who voted for him.

[–] dis_honestfamiliar@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 19 hours ago

With enough gerrymandering the same 15% could potentially dictate politics.

[–] UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago

Probably evangelicals.. I know there's a lot more, but you know, cult thinking and shit.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Came here to say this. I'd love to know what the average IQ is for this 15 percent.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 11 points 18 hours ago

70-85: This range is considered low average, or borderline intellectual functioning. Many people in this range are able to work, have social lives, and function independently, but may need some academic accommodations or support.

That range sounds about right.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

Take the average American. Half of the people are dumber than that. Any questions?

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

They know.

They are pretending not to because “fuck you, you can’t prove I do.”

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 hours ago

Yes. Republicans.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world -2 points 8 hours ago

These must be those who actually voted. Y'know, because all the 'smart' people were sitting it out.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 44 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

so 35% believe he is guilty and voted for him anyway.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 19 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

No, because far less than 100% of Americans are voters, and the 15% is about Americans not voters....

Even then, pretty sure he didn't get 50% of the votes.

So however you meant what you said, you're wrong.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

About 22% of all Americans (not just voters) voted for him in 2024. So there's still millions of people who voted for him and believed he knew.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 11 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

They believe he knew, now. May not have in 2024.

[–] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

Very true. I'm genuinely curious how many Trump voters didn't find it likely enough last year to vote for him and only now do.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

Still, the fact that it is non-zero is rather disgusting.

[–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

not how statistics work. percentages apply to sample of any size.

imagine there were 100 voters in the last elections. trump got 50 of them and if he got all of this 15% group (unlikely, but it actually plays in his favor in this argument). that means 50*0,70=35 of his voters believed he was guilty and voted for him anyway.

if someone asks why 0,70 and not 0,85 (1-0,15) it is based on assumption that the we believe he is not guilty group was largely voting for him, which is not unreasonable assumption. if some of them were actually voting for democrats, that makes the number of people voting for him despite believing he is a child rapist even higher.

(this argument indeed ignores shift of this number in time).

Even then, pretty sure he didn’t get 50% of the votes.

even though it is irrelevant in this argument - he got 49.80% of votes and he won popular vote with 77,3M against harris's 75M votes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election#Results

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

not how statistics work

Correct, everything after that sentence infers youve never taken even a basic statistics course...

Are you just going off highschool math when they taught you percentages?

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 27 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

The actual numbers are so much worse. The 15% overall "didnt know" is watered down from ~30% Republicans. They are lying either to the pollsters or more likely, themselves.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 13 points 22 hours ago

I don't see Trump blew Clinton on that poll. Outdated.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 17 hours ago

Republicans gotta be the stupidest mfs around

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 25 points 22 hours ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_of_Donald_Trump_and_Jeffrey_Epstein

In 2002, speaking to New York magazine, Trump said "I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy." He also stated that "He's a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side."

and

In 2017, Epstein told Wolff that he had been Trump's "closest friend for 10 years".

Two guys who say they'd been friends for a long time.

[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 14 points 17 hours ago

Waaaaaaay too high of a number

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 14 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

NEW POLL: 15 Percent of Americans will lie to not have to admit they were mislead.

[–] falseWhite@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Misled? It couldn't have been more clear what kind of person Trump is.

"15 Percent of Americans will lie to not have to admit they knowingly supported a pedo."

FTFY

[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

In other news approximately 15 to 20% of Americans are illiterate.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 5 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The average American reads below a 6th grade level. Meaning half of them are competitive with grade schoolers. They are not picking up on nuance or context at all.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

The average American reads below a 6th grade level.

Here's a great example of how that compares to other adjacent grades.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 2 points 57 minutes ago

That clip was a great demonstration. Succinct but informative

[–] NABDad@lemmy.world 4 points 21 hours ago

It's actually more like 21%

[–] Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works 6 points 12 hours ago

They're just liars.

[–] lilas105@ttrpg.network 4 points 5 hours ago

"Did you know about Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking minors?" - asked no reporter ever

spits

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 3 points 7 hours ago

Thats 15% too much