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Came here to say that whoever wrote this is old, like me.
The switch from 10/2 to 9/3 is because of airbags. If you’re doing it the old way, you’re more likely to have the airbag catch your hand and whack you right in the face with it.
10 and 2 was always stupid. When I was young I got an opportunity to go to a racing school and that was one of the first things they talked about. If you mime driving a car, do you put your hands at 10 and 2? No, you'll probably do 9 and 3. Better control, less going hand over hand.
Also you should push the steering wheel with your outside hand, not pull it. Smoother input.
Aha, hand over hand, now I get to wax poetic about that.
Hand over hand steering was useful up until maybe the mid 1960s. Later, too, but after about 1967, power steering was becoming more the norm. Cars were far more likely to not have power steering. Instead, they employed lower range steering gear boxes and giant trash can lid steering wheels. In order to make a regular old 90 degree turn, you'd have to crank the wheel over way more than you do on a modern car, and the car was heavier, had steel wheels (more mass to move).
They continue to teach it today, because if your car loses power and/or shuts off (ICE cars especially, not impossible with EVs) or the power steering otherwise fails while you're moving, you're really going to want to know how to hand over hand steer. It's much more difficult to steer a car with power steering that's dead/broken than a car that just doesn't have power steering at all. Why they still demand it for drivers' tests on every turn, I don't know. You should be able to demonstrate that you can do it, but hand over hand steering on essentially every car today is more clumsy, as long as everything is working properly.
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If you mime driving a car, do you put your hands at 10 and 2? No, you'll probably do 9 and 3.
Only if that's the standard you were taught, and the cars that you learned to drive were ones where that made more sense. I mean, just look where Toonces puts his paws.
I had a Chevy S10 without power steering and man steering that thing at low speeds was such a bitch (such as when you’re trying to do a three point turn). You get a real workout every time you drive. So grateful power steering is in all cars nowadays.
Yeah ... There was a weird in between time where there were still some small vehicles without p/s, but they were still using similar steering boxes or racks, and the same smaller steering wheel. I'm pretty sure that rack and pinion steering is more difficult without power assist, too, or because a different enough gearing would change the packaging, need too much room, increase design/production/manufacture costs too much - they just went fuck it and removed p/s without changing anything else because "good enough".
I don't remember whether the S10 had rack and pinion or pitman arm style.
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Nothing like a technical discussion of automotive steering history without a reference to Toonces.
If we’re going there, let me tell you about tillers.
This is the kind of excited spew of hyperfixated knowledge that only those touched by the tism could produce.
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Hand over hand is better for ensuring you have a grip that can go either direction if something pulls on your wheels suddenly, like in slippery conditions. It isn't necessary to pull it like climbing the rope in gym class with power steering, but awkward hand positions can lead to loss of control.
Yup, exactly this.
Coached race cars (and bikes) at tracks for years, and amateur raced for more than a decade.
Try just pushing (not pulling). You have a LOT more range and more comfortable control from 9/3 than 10/2
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It’s mainly for better control of the vehicle. At 9 and 3, you can pull the steering wheel straight down to turn.
Source: I teach advanced performance driving.
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*7 and 5
Less arm fatigue and safer with air bags.
With better control the airbags won't go off.
9:30 and 2:30 is optimal and hands are to the side for an accident.
I vote for: 2:47:18.987 and 9:51:43.051
Makes you concentrate on driving! /s
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With better control the airbags won’t go off.
You can have the best control in the world and still get rear-ended, T-boned, or otherwise crashed into by someone else. Defensive driving isn't 100% crash-proof and shit happens, my friend. There's a lot of dumb people on the road.
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Thought they were teaching 7 and 4 now? Due to airbags I'd heard.
just go with 0 and 0 with a knee on the wheel.
Ain't nothing stopping me from eating my burrito.
7 and 4 isn't even centered
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Which Bluey episode is this?
I have so many memories of my dad driving us up to the corner store, beer in hand, to put $5 in the tank and rent us Megaman 4.
Sad that the default of the current world is "can you drive?"
Mate, I can barely hold a conversation with people Ive worked with for 3+ years. How am I going to communicate via flashing lights to strangers, while driving a 1000kg hunk of metal at 50kph?
I think I can contribute to society. (I haven't been fired yet. So I must be doing something right) but must I be cut out of social weekend events, or anything after 6pm, JUST because i cant drive?
Well there's always Uber and public transportation but both of those can be inconvenient at times. Someday I will get better at driving to get my own car though
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No joke I took my driving test in a random minivan because my dad wrecked his car that I practiced in in a DUI
No wonder I don't like driving lol
Does anyone have the original of the dad doge
Gonna need it so I can use it as a reaction lol
Did some digging and found these:
A zoomed in screenshot from this meme
a cutout of the doge edit
and what I assume was the original source image
Original is still edited. Pretty sure someone put human eyes on him to make it more uncanny
Goat
Thanks
Learning to drive with grandpa:
-GP:You know, I miss your grandma.
-GD:I miss granny too.
-GP:Let's then close eyes together and imagine her waiting for us at home. Just drive faster sweetheart, so we will not be late for dinner...
My eyes were never open, Grandpa. See you soon. ❤️
Had the opposite experience tbh. Dad was banned from teaching us driving because he was too strict
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