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[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

To all the infallible unblemished champions of the proletarian revolution who are shitting on "libs":

According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary of Politics and Western Political Theory in the Face of the Future, this is the definition of liberalism:

Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, right to private property and equality before the law.

In your own words, what do you think "lib" means? And if you're going with my cited textbook definition, what's so offensive to you about the tenets that are listed?

Either words' definitions matter or they don't, and if they don't, then none of what you say matters.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Democrats continuing to blame everyone but themselves, as usual.

[–] minnow@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Democrats could have run a turd as a candidate with the slogan "it'll be a shit show" and I'd still have voted for them with no regrets, because I understand that fascism is an existential threat. If the Democrats are to blame in any way, it's because they didn't try to get people to understand that OH WAIT THEY DID.

Should the Democrats have run a better candidate and a better campaign? Obviously yes. Is it their fault that voters were willing to let a fascist win? Not even a little.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Guess what, not everyone thinks that, and a good politician would actually promise to improve people's lives instead of continually talking about how bad the other guy is.

Trotting out the least popular Republicans ever as being on your side didn't help either.

[–] minnow@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

not everyone thinks that

Yes, obviously not everyone thinks fascism is an existential threat. Which is probably one of our greatest failures as a society, in terms of education.

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If the democrat party genuinely gave a shit they would of held a primary and nominated a qualified and popular candidate. They didn’t. They don’t care!

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

indeed

the democratic party never fought like it was existential threat and it showed. 'Long as I did my best' indeed biden, indeed.

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I just want you to note that at the bottom of the link you sent me it essentially says it’s written with chat gpt.

It’s not trustworthy, though I agree with it.

This content was partially produced with the help of Benzinga Neuro and was reviewed and published by Benzinga editors.

[–] jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Its a video of a former obama official and the video is a primary source. Didnt really care about the textual contents of the page was just grabbing a source for the video. Whether jon is trustworthy source shrug id believe it though.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub -1 points 4 months ago

So, when you're running, ostensibly to save democracy, you should probably offer those voters stuff that will turn them out. In 2020 Biden promised them a $2000 check, and that worked (even though he reneged on it afterwards).

The only ones to blame are the Democrats. Trump got less votes than in 2020, so it's not like he got more popular, the Democrats failed to get their base out. You can't even blame the Greens this time.

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’m over pointing fingers and playing holy than thou.

The people who plan to build a Hungarian-style autocratic government are in power now, and they’re hoping the left is exhausted and tired of fighting this shit for a decade.

This shit is going to be dangerous, and we’re going to have to motivate people to push back hard than even. Pointing fingers just divides us and makes us even weaker.

[–] Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

That's a bummer because progressives couldn't be bothered to stop an erasure of minorities and lgbt alongside a subjugation of women.

Quite simply, either you align with them or you can get fucked.

At least that's how it's currently playing out.

[–] dank@lemmy.today -1 points 4 months ago

Libs couldn't bother to stop a genocide to stop a fascist

[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I did my job. The democrats had one job too, and they failed.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

It's funny cause back when Biden was VP I kept bringing up how he was a terrible Democrat and we should stop making cute uncle Joe memes, cause he's actually a horrible person who has hurt a lot of people with his blind drug war. And when I would bring that up, the other leftists would downvote me and call me a right winger, because we're not allowed to criticize our own n side apparently.

So it's funny that the same people who used to downvote any criticism of "uncle Joe" are the ones that are now calling anyone a Nazi if they support the Democrats.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Who said Lefts didn't vote for Harris?

Are you manufacturing this? Where are the exit polls?

Might a better reason for why Fascism won with this election be that Democrats, including Biden, Harris, the DNC, and the consulting class, failed to campaign to their own base, and even more than their base since most Americans, Dems and Reps, approve of progressive policies?

Projection man

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Biden got ~81m votes in 2020, Harris only got ~67m. >14m fewer people voted for her.

Trump also dropped by ~2m, only getting ~72m this time around vs. ~74m in 2020.

Trump didn’t win because of a giant right-wing national shift, he won because of voter apathy on the left.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

There was certainly a right wing shift. The DNC did their very best (e.g. Cheney) to capture republican voters rather than represent the workers.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

You need to seperate out the political machine from the populace.

The DNC did make a right-ward play to try and peel centrist/moderate voters who identify as Republicans but didn’t necessarily want to vote for Trump. They did this on the (now we know false) assumption that their base would turn out automagically.

But again, Trump won with fewer votes this time around than he lost in 2020 to Biden with. He didn’t gain standing, the only reason he was victorious was because those left of centre failed to show up to the polls. Voter apathy doesn’t denote a right-wing shift; it denotes a shit political platform.

Voters are still voting rather progressively on state-wide ballot measures, the people haven’t gotten more conservative - despite what the (elite-owned) media narrative would have you believe. Every datapoint and infographic regarding voter demographics is based on %s of voters, rather than absolute demographics.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They share the blame, certainly, especially in depressing left-leaning turnout, but I think it was largely 'swing voter' twats sitting it out.

Suppose we'll find out when more detailed analysis of this utter fuck-up and handing the keys to one of the most powerful countries in the world to fascists is available.

[–] Homescool@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Blaming the people instead of the wet rag they ran.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"Too radical"

"Not radical enough"

"Trump Lite"

"Didn't care about Trump voters"

"Another predicable establishment candidate"

"We didn't know her"

"All she said was she not the other guy"

"Didn't expose Trump enough"

"Joy bullshit! Where are the serious policies?"

"Elections are about feelings and she didn't have appeal"

"Supports the Gaza genocide"

"Didn't inspire pro-Israel voters"

"Failed border czar"

"Blue MAGA"

Everyone seems to think they know why Harris lost, and it's always "didn't do enough of what I like". It's boring and unhelpful.

[–] minnow@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This may come as a surprise to you, but yes, in a democracy the people are to blame for who gets elected.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

In a functional democracy, the candidates would run on things people want. Instead, both parties cater to what the elites want.

The difference between Republicans and Democrats is whether they pay lip service to these policies or not (then Democrats find a way to not pass whatever that policy is, whether it's with a rotating villain, the parliamentarian, keeping the filibuster, etc).

[–] minnow@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

No? No. Democracy, functional or not, has no direct determining power on what candidates cater to. What democracy does is select the winning candidate, regardless of who the candidate caters to.

We may be a flawed democracy with candidates that cater to the elites, but we're still a democracy and we still pick the winner.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Dems running a wet rag is a significant failing and they share the blame for fascism coming into power.

At the same time, that in no way excuses the thought process of any voter who sat by and said, "I don't like the wet rag. Let's go with fascism instead!"

[–] Homescool@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Keep projecting this nonsense onto people you clearly do not understand and see if it gets better. Maybe 2028 will be different.

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

"Stop calling me out for choosing fascism over the wet rag."

[–] ajmaxwell@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It was Fascism vs. Fascism Lite

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Shit like this is why Trump won.

[–] ajmaxwell@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I voted.

But something like 16 million fewer Americans voted this year compared to 2020. That's an insanely large number of people who simply didn't vote.

Thats why Trump won.

[–] ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Those people didn't vote because people like you convinced them there was no difference and therefore no point in voting.

[–] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The DNC would rather lose with a neoliberal than win with a progressive. If they want to get there shit together they have to win with the working class and ordinary people.

They can't be elitist centrists. They'll lose every election if they do. The future is now old man

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

If they go further left they lose every moderate or right leaning Democratic voter don't they? Why would you want your voter base to get smaller

[–] Leeharveyteabag@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago

Hey Micheal, corporate needs you to tell the difference between these two pictures.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Fascism is always a populist movement, by the time it's on the ballot it's already too late.

The so called left created the conditions for Trump by being the lesser evil instead of being better.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Fuck that noise. Victim blaming bullshit.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net -1 points 4 months ago

Yeah... the dems are the victims, sure. /s

[–] SparrowHawk@feddit.it -1 points 4 months ago

Those poow wittle democwats and their multi billion dollar super PACS...victims of the intolerant left! /s

[–] inv3r510n@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

I did my part. I voted third party because BOTH PARTIES SUPPORT A FASCIST REGIME COMMITTING GENOCIDE WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS WHILE OUR OWN PEOPLE GO HOMELESS

Cry about it libs! I bet going further right and further ignoring your base will win in 2028! Might as well run Liz Cheney while you’re at it!

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Yes that is the not voting against fascism the meme is talking about. You can label not doing your part as doing your part but it's still not doing your part.

[–] Atlas_@lemmy.world -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

48% of the popular vote went to Kamala.

Tell me more about this Libs didn't vote thing.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 1 points 4 months ago

Well, Trump got fewer total votes than last election and still won. So there’s that.