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[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 125 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Before anyone starts to think there's a good guy in this story:

some have taken upon themselves to honor KitKat in distinctly Silicon Valley-style ways. Zeidan (part of cats family) has released a memecoin honoring KitKat’s legacy, and also said that he was disappointed to see others launch their own imitation tokens in an attempt to profit off KitKat’s death.

He says he's going to use the money to support local vets, but why don't you just share some links to spca to donate directly, you're providing nothing but a way for you to grift by taking the money through meme coins.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 62 points 18 hours ago

Yes, this is the extra cherry on top that makes San Francisco look like a parody of itself here lol

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 11 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Or even better: Be the "good guy" by giving your cat a happy, healthy, secure, and longer life by keeping them indoors. People hate to be told what to do, and some cats love it outside, but guess what? My dog would love to eat 10lbs of chocolate. We have to look out for their best interests. This obviously doesn't mean don't ever take them outside leashed or supervised, but the fact remains: indoor cats have a better, less stressful life, and don't decimate local bird populations...

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[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 71 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

“While our vehicle was stopped to pick up passengers, a nearby cat darted under our vehicle as it was pulling away”

I mean, it sucks, but it could've happened with a human driver as well... and likely has happened.

I have rode in a Waymo and it shows you all the things it detects on a screen... which includes humans and small animals. It's not a perfect machine, but it probably is a better driver than a lot of people already and it's learning every day.

I suppose this incident could get Waymo to put cameras/sensors beneath the car... something that regular car makers won't think about.

But yeah, it should've detected the cat beforehand and waited for it to leave before driving off. Then again, the human passengers didn't see it either.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 15 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Then again, the human passengers didn't see it either.

The human passengers weren't responsible for driving the vehicle, their lack of awareness is a feature of getting a taxi ride?

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 18 points 22 hours ago (13 children)

I meant that the Waymo didn't see it, neither did the passengers, so the cat could've been difficult to detect.

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[–] teft@piefed.social 11 points 21 hours ago

I feel for the cat but this would happen with a human driver too. No one is going to check under their car after picking up passengers. It'd add minutes to each stop and these people are paid by the mile and stop. Adding minutes or hours each day is money lost. So no one will do this.

[–] Th3D3k0y@lemmy.world 13 points 22 hours ago

I mean, it sucks for the cat and the neighborhood, I'm glad that where I live there are a few very friendly outdoor cats and I've always seen people nail the brakes to avoid them the few times they cross the road.

I also understand that autonomous cars kind of need more work, but real drivers also really suck at driving. I wonder if the ire here is more at "who do we blame if no driver"

Also also, I wonder if electric cars are going to cause a lot more issues for outdoor animals who to some extend get trained to listen for a Hrududu which the electric motors don't make.

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 11 points 21 hours ago

Under- car sensors is a great idea and the kind of innovation required for this tech to reach universal adoption. Waymo is already safer than human drivers IMO but let's keep going until it's significantly safer with verifiable data and capabilities humans cannot have. And we have to address its connection to big tech for "safety under fascism" purposes.

[–] mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah this is the kind of thing where you really need statistics. This sticks out because it's a prominent example of something new, an autonomous vehicle, doing something notable - killing an animal for the first time (or at least one of the very first well-publicized times on record).

For people's reaction to this to be that this is because it's an autonomous vehicle is the same sort of cognitive bias that causes things like, " The first person to get a math problem wrong in class was a girl so it seems like girls are bad at math". When of course it could be that the probability of boys and girls getting problems wrong is equal, and that the girl was simply the first one to get a unlucky roll on the dice of the universe. It could even be that boys are more likely to get problems wrong, and the girl was especially unlucky. It could in fact be that girls are more likely to get problems wrong, too, but this single instance doesn't give us enough evidence for that. It could be that boys actually have gotten more problems wrong, but we only hear about the girl getting the problem wrong due to sociological biases, or vice versa. Etc.

I get that we shouldn't trust corporations, and it's not fun to defend a corporation, but it is important to defend rational thinking. And the rational way to approach this is to employ statistical methods to judge whether a vehicle being autonomous truly makes it a bigger risk to animals in the road or not. Any other line of reasoning is not right for this kind of problem.

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[–] _cryptagion@anarchist.nexus 38 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

“While our vehicle was stopped to pick up passengers, a nearby cat darted under our vehicle as it was pulling away,” a company spokesperson said.

I'm not super keen on robo-cars, because they're being rushed out by corporations that want to start raking in the money while using the public to beta test their platform. but let's be honest here, if the car was driven by a human, they almost certainly would have run over that cat too.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 22 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

Mmmm. You're taking "company spokesperson" at face value there.

Let's be real though, a meeting of highly paid, highly skilled people came up with that response then it was sanitised through three more filters before reaching our eyes.

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[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 34 points 16 hours ago (10 children)

People who keep their kids inside but let their pets play in traffic are psychopaths.

I know what I said.

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[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 31 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Yet another reason to despise AI. Animals deserve to be safe too. We've already taken so much from them as it is.

[–] reddifuge@lemmy.world 16 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (8 children)

Ai has a proven track record of causing less accidents, and killing far fewer animals per km traveled than the average driver.

92% fewer accidents involving animals than the average human.

Ai doesn't drink, get distracted, or smoke meth like the ml mods.

[–] majster@lemmy.zip 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Kissaki@feddit.org 14 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

People get jail time, what do we do with machines?

Hold the manufacturers and operators (specifically for company operated) accountable?

The machine is the product, not the operator. We don't jail classic cars either. We hold their operators accountable. The one in control. Self driving has a shift of who is in control - now "indirectly".

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[–] credo@lemmy.world 30 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

While our vehicle was stopped to pick up passengers, a nearby cat darted under our vehicle as it was pulling away,

There are plenty of assholes who will aim for cats while driving. This, at least, can likely be remedied fleet-wide and permanently with a software fix. These people are just looking for an excuse to rail against automation— as if a human driver would have definitely seen the cat.

Also, keep cats inside.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 15 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

This, at least, can likely be remedied fleet-wide and permanently with a software fix.

You have so much misplaced faith in these massive corporations...

[–] credo@lemmy.world 17 points 22 hours ago

I have faith that if they keep making errors like this, people won’t give them business. I have faith that they will fix socially unacceptable issues in the name of money.

Kindly fuck off with your misplaced judgement.

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[–] Macallan@lemmy.world 28 points 13 hours ago
[–] OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 24 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

So glad I live far away from the tech bros. Must be so annoying living in the bay area.

[–] MoogleMaestro@lemmy.zip 18 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Used to go to SF for work events.

It felt like a town that once had culture that still wants to peek out, but it almost entirely covered with silicon valley monotony and misanthropic policies. It feels like a city where the people living there are the after thought, and the tablet where you order your coffee while you sit around a room where nobody makes eye contact or speaks to you is the product.

I'm sure there's a part of the city where humanity still thrives, but it should be a cultural warning to those who are adopting silicon valley cures as anything other than snake oil.

[–] Draces@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

You were probably downtown for a work event. The culture is in the neighborhoods

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[–] suchwin@lemmy.world 23 points 5 hours ago

Seen a lot of half baked arguments.

I've been in the area and met this cat. First off, this cat started as a stray, and found its way to the corner store that took it in and adopted it for all intents and purposes. Its lived in the same spot for many years, and had always been an exceptionally chill cat. Painting him as a typical outdoor cat is disingenuous and uninformed.

KitKat has been safe and sound for so long without any issues. There's gotta be literally millions of cars that have driven past in his residency on 16th in the Mission district of SF. And the only time he gets hit is by a waymo? All these human drivers, so many of them absolute shit, and never an occurrence? This cat isn't sprinting the neighborhood, crossing streets, or hunting for prey; its docile, loves pets, and knows there's endless food at the liquor store that provides all his needs. He wasn't your typical outdoor cat that runs from everyone and twitches at unknown sounds; this was an urban dwelling cat that's been prospering for years.

Waymo promotes and brags to riders how many cameras are inside and out of the car. But it so easily hit something that could fuck the car up if it wasn't soft squishy flesh. Were animals and small children not in any of its test scenarios? Is it infeasble to install cameras where a typical driver couldn't usually see?

Not to mention the absolutely rude response waymo has had to this event. Instead of apologizing and pledging improvements and retribution to killing a valued community member; they victim-blamed the dead cat, said they didn't do anything wrong, and said nothing of mitigating future scenarios.

There's more I can say about the company and its typical ownership, but I want to keep this to the slaughter at hand and their complete lack of consciousness. Waymo doesn't care about you or anything that it kills. Once again, its about the bottom line and whatever it can do to turn profit.

Obviously accidents happen, but its the reaction that can truly matter in those cases. They've shown that causing great harm in a community means nothing to them. And this is in obvious and outspoken situations. What about the less obvious ways? Whether that be job loss, economic factors, environmental concerns, or blatant safety on our streets. If they're forced, they'll make a bullshit apology (aka recognition of events) and then focus on moving forward without addressing people's grief and anger.

Fuck waymo, fuck their response especially, and fuck anyone saying this cat deserved it by being a lazy sidewalk-laying pillar of joy in the neighborhood.

Rest in Peace KitKat. The community will always love you and remember you for always brightening our days in this endlessly threatening world. The only thing that killed you was the ruthless drive for profit. Your memory will live on in the hearts of many. And as a focal point that citizens must stop allowing corporations from plowing down their neighbors, their voice, and their sunshine in a day's walk to the store.

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[–] dan1101@lemmy.world 18 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

I'm against robotaxis but in this particular case the taxi was stopped and the cat darted under it as it started to move. A human driver would have likely hit it too.

[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

cats don't dart under moving vehicles. i reckon the statement is partially bullshit

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago

I've had several times a cat has run out in the road in front of my car, and would have gone under if I hadn't stopped quickly. Happily I've not hit one, few close calls though.

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[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 18 points 21 hours ago (5 children)

I wish people were as outraged about people getting killed by human drivers. The safety record of these cars has been no less than stellar until now.

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[–] chunes@lemmy.world 14 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Human drivers have probably killed dozens of cats since this singular incident and not a peep. People are so fuckin stupid

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 14 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Some of us are old enough to remember how cats and other creatures would get killed by old car engine designs with the large open fan driven by a belt. They would sleep on that fan housing and not realize the danger when the car was started. So there have been improvements that have helped, maybe not necessarily for that reason. For what it's worth, I'm on the side of minimizing cars for so many reasons, but it has been worse for animals in the past.

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[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

“But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.” – Exodus 21:23-24

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 19 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

A cat for a cat, but it's an EV, so there is no catalytic converter to take

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 12 points 18 hours ago

There might be some CAT6 cable inside somewhere

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[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 11 points 16 hours ago
[–] snoons@lemmy.ca 11 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (5 children)

Cat's shouldn't be left outside in the first place, because of situations like this.

*"Cat's shouldn't be left outside because they'll be crushed by a vehicle, eaten by coyotes, catch a deadly disease or purposely killed by shitty humans."

I can never understand why this is so often a hot take other than "it's natural", which is dubious at best. Leaving a cat outside by itself, without supervision and a harness is irresponsible and stupid. If you or your family do that, in a city, then make sure to have some "missing cat" posters pre-printed and always keep the picture up to date because that cat will likely not live a full life. Kindly keep any anecdotal evidence to the contrary to yourself, it stands for nothing.

Maybe if you lived on a farm and you wanted it to keep the mice population down, but then there's the environmental factor of how cats kill a lot of birds which stresses an already stressed population (and is maybe detrimental to crop health re. insects).

/rant

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[–] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 10 points 19 hours ago

Let cats use them as litter boxes. Cats' revenge.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Regicide.

A feline queen reigns over my apartment complex. It's a fair regime.

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[–] Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca 10 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

There is probably an elevated risk of killing cats in any electric vehicle because there are fewer signs that the car is "on" and about to drive.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Unpopular opinion: cats are an invasive species in most places, like dogs, and shouldn’t be subject to different regulations than dogs.

Keep them on a leash if you care about them.

Is this a bellwether for how the car will handle a kid? Perhaps. Worth thinking about.

[–] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 8 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Highlighting individual cases like this is a good way to capture human emotions but the focus should be on the big picture. The moment a self driving car is statistically safer than a human driver it becomes the objectively better alternative. The fact that accidents will still keep happening nevertheless isn't a reason to revert back to human drivers.

This same "trick" is used in charity advertisements: starving kid will capture the attention of people but a starving village will not despite the fact that it contains that same kid.

[–] tomatolung@sopuli.xyz 8 points 19 hours ago

Good call out of the identifiable victim effect and the affect heuristic, where decisions are driven by emotional responses rather than objective analysis of risks or benefits.

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