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[–] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 82 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

“Yeah! The real primary colours are CMY!”

Also bullshit.

Our RGB primaries are a simplification that comes from availability of pigments. While blue was originally a very rare and valuable pigment made from precious stones, it was still more available than magenta or cyan, which are made synthetically.

All of the following is taking paint mixing into mind.

When looking at a continuous colour wheel:

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You can see where each colour sits on the spectrum. When you consider a RBY palette, we are limited to essentially the colours in this triangle:

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Mixing a vibrant Purple or Green is often difficult with a basic rby colour palette, and a Magenta or Cyan is impossible. We define a primary colour as “foundational colours that cannot be created by mixing other colours”, which means that CMY are real primaries, right? Well, if we look at the CMy palette:

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We DO get a wider range of colours, but you’ll notice that a true purple, green, blue, and red are still outside of our range. You can get a pretty close red with Yellow and Magenta, but it will never be as vibrant as a pure Red pigment. So then Red is a primary?

When painting, you should use the colours that you need for the work, and mix from there. The ‘primary colours’ are a tool to teach students the theory of colour mixing. It is not a perfect guide, but teaching complex colour theory to novice painters is just intimidation. Most people get an intro to art, learn RBY, and then leave art, don’t think about it again until a TikTok titled “school LIED to you” introduced CMY.

EDIT: this is from the perspective of an artist. I am not an expert, and certainly got something wrong in here, but the primary argument has always annoyed me

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Are you confusing subtractive and additive colors? For subtractive (used for e.g. paints) you use CMY, with white being what you get with no colors and black is a perfect mix of full CMY. With subtractive each color takes light away.

Additive (used for lights) works the other way round: the base colors are RGB. No light colors is black, all light colors is white. Adding another color in additive adds more light.

So, sure, if you use additive base colors in a subtractive process, you will get garbage and vice versa.

[–] AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

The real fascinating thing is that Impossible Colors exist, which means it’s kind of impossible to actually represent all colors or impossible to precisely represent them.

Imo it seems colors are relative to how our brain and eyes are adapting to their current field of view, meaning the color you experience is not fully dependent on the light an object actually reflects nor the activation of your rods and cones but is dependent on the way your brain processes those signals with each other. Ergo, you can’t actually represent all colors precisely unless you can control every environmental variable like the color of every object in someone’s field of view and where someone’s eyes have been looking previously etc.

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[–] b34k@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And here I thought the primary colors were RGB

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

RGB are the additive colors (light projected) CMYK are the subtractive colors (light reflected)

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

Any set of colors can make a primary color palette. It's just that we most often mean for human eyesight.

Even then, when talking about perception, because the response of red and green comes in our eye overlap we need imaginary colors to uniquely express them. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/eb/CIExy1931_ProPhoto.svg/1280px-CIExy1931_ProPhoto.svg.png

[–] KaChilde@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

There are different sets of primaries used when we talk about screen, print, light, and paint.

Most people learn RBY through painting, whether as a child, or in art classes at school, and assume it applies to all colour.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Well written!

Yes we can use any colors as "primary colors", I use 6 when I paint (plus burnt Sienna & Umber because I'm lazy).

The colors you chose lets you mix up paints in a gamut, a gamut of colors is what you can get from those "primaries" that constitute said gamut.

Cheers.

[–] nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago

In printing it’s a little different, but if you need an exact color you can add it to the process, much like adding a varnish or other fancy finish.

Orange was always a problem when I was a designer. It had to be specific, you had to send a Pantone chip along, hope it hadn’t faded or changed color over the years (or buy new ones constantly) and then it still came out different than planned.

[–] MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] expatriado@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago (2 children)

David Lynch, an influential filmmaker

[–] MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thanks for letting me know.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

He also has a very iconic voice, I'm sure you've heard it somewhere in your lifetime.

https://youtube.com/shorts/5yRKSVRbgOI

[–] tdawg@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Rest in piece friend

[–] stepan@lemmy.cafe 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've seen his art exhibition in Prague just two days ago, watched the Twin Peaks movie yesterdey, and definitely going to watch the series soon.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Twin Peaks is great. The Return is phenomenal so definitely push through the first season of TP which can be a bit clunky

[–] Pep@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

The first season is still excellent 90s TV. The middle of the second season is questionable though

The show gets boring very suddenly, then equally suddenly gets great again. Turns out, Lynch left the show for that exact period.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Its been a while since I did a full watch through but doesnt the case get solved in the middle of S2? I remember really liking the later half of S2 when the conspiracy stuff and all the different plotlines really got underway but I know this isnt a popular opinion

All 3 seasons are great though, but man, those first couple of 1 are dense and put me to sleep for years every time I tried starting it. Eventually I just had to sit down at 10AM on a Sunday with a (damn fine) cup of coffee and force myself through them

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Shit. You shouldn't watch the movie first, because it has major spoilers for the series in it.

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Who cares? Can't put the genie back in the bottle now.

Sometimes I'm glad I can't be spoiled. I'm literally always along for the ride

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[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago
[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I think the original quote was something like "Eraserhead is my most spiritual film" "Elaborate on that." "No."

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I believe the actual quote is "Eraser head is my most spiritual film".

[–] themaninblack@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I imagine you are right

[–] DrDystopia@lemy.lol 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Earlier this year, yeah. Feels like forever ago though

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Jesus Christ... That was only January? Ive aged 5 years since then.

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[–] Muffi@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sorry you found out this way. I found out by randomly coming across

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in LA.

[–] DrDystopia@lemy.lol 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's more shocking than seeing a random post on Lemmyn

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[–] FishFace@piefed.social 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

But they aren't. They're the colours corresponding to the peak frequency responses of the cone cells in your retinas.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This comment is total fucking bullshit.

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] ozymandias@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

they are, it comes back when we were way more limited in paint colors… should be cyan, magenta, yellow.

[–] ShaunaTheDead@fedia.io 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right, CMY for ink, RGB for light though.

this image is pretty helpful. With light you're starting with white (the center of the left diagram) and subtracting colours to get your ideal colour. With ink, you're adding colour to get your ideal colour, and adding all of your colours will get you to black.

[–] edinbruh@feddit.it 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Your intuition is on the right track, but it works "the other way around".

RGB are additive primary colours, because the colour you see when you look at something that emits light is the actual colour of the light. And so when you mix two coloured lights, the colours add up (additive colours). And adding every colour gives you white.

CMY are instead subtractive colour, because when you look at something that does not emit light, the colour you see is just the light that bounces off of it, while some colours get absorbed. So when you mix paints, the resulting paint absorbs more colours, and you only see what's left, so the colours subtract down (subtractive colours). And subtracting everything gives you black.

P.s. mathematically, any three independent colours could be used as primary. Independent means that you can't get any of the three by mixing the other two (i.e. blue, red, and purple are not independent). But those two triplets are the most obvious choices. You might recall that as a kid, they taught you that primary colours were Red, Blue and Yellow instead of CMY, and yet mixing worked fine.

[–] ShaunaTheDead@fedia.io 5 points 1 day ago

Oops, you're right! That's what I meant to say but I got mixed up

[–] fonix232@fedia.io 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Uhm... No.

It depends on you doing additive or subtractive colour mixing.

Additive mixing (e.g. light, in the form of colour LEDs or similar colour sources) must utilise RGB, due to how physics works.

Subtractive mixing (such as, printing, painting, etc.) on the other hand is better off with CMY+K for higher precision, again, for physics reasons.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

A lot of formulaic stuff in media is bullshit. So much shit is done for no other reason than because it worked once before. Primary colors are one of them. Story structure; forget the actual name of it but every story doesn't need to be arranged in that particular order of start, build up, conflict, resolution (Pulp Fiction is a great example of something that ignores this rule). And more.

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[–] passenger@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Have to link this

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OQiQk8AJ0YI

David Lynch on iphones

Watch to the end!

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I think this has lost some truth with the advent of very high definition oled phone screens in fairness. I'm a quality whore and having my phone very close to my face is a decent experience for most movies.

Obviously for stuff like Interstellar or Dune I'm going big.

[–] passenger@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

To me it sounds horrible, unergonomical, full of distractions if in the public...

But yeah it's mostly funny how he hates it.

Do what u want!

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[–] b_tr3e@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

Well, Plato had some unique ideas about colors, too. He was a genius nevertheless...

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