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Seriously, they are both former military, my dad was in for like 30 years, how do they like the drunk secretary? I get that he saw combat, but being in combat doesn't automatically make you qualified for... well anything except therapy and medical care.

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[–] brownsugga@lemmy.world 148 points 2 days ago

Are they white? Do they have an aversion to non-white people? Do they make enough money to materially benefit from the Trump era tax policies? Yes to any 2 and you’ve got an answer, no to all 3 and I’m as stumped as you are.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 115 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Honest answer, as someone in the military:

A LOT of military people lament how "soft" the military has become, and someone coming down on beards, fat, etc, as well as being up front with what the military is for (e.g. Department of War), scratches a whiny itch they've always had. Because every old salty sailor and sandy equivalent feels like they came from the Old Guard.

I came from the Old Guard that my peers are nostalgic about. It was terrible and unnecessarily cruel. It was inefficient and left new people floundering instead of supported. The whole thing feels like a cycle of abuse.

But back to the point, they don't care if he's underqualified, makes bad and inexperienced military decisions, or has a host of DUIs ("who doesn't?"). They only care that he's calling generals fat to their faces and getting rid of beard ememptions.

[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)

What's funny is that nobody alive today was alive and in the military for any major conflict that we were actually victorious in, so what "good old days" are these geezers even pining for? The days where we lost a bunch of soldiers in Vietnam and the ones who survived came back with PTSD and drug addictions?

[–] warbond@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago

The good old days where the people in charge could get away with anything, that's what it comes down to.

[–] Fondots@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

nobody alive today was alive and in the military for any major conflict that we were actually victorious in

There are still a handful of WWII vets kicking around

Also depending on how you want to define "major" and "victorious" you could maybe make an argument for Dessert Storm, and possibly the 2003-2011 Iraq War. (Whether we should have been involved in those wars in the first place, and how those wars were fought are separate issues, and I certainly wouldn't call them "unqualified" victories, but I do think there are absolutely certain angles you could look at them from and make the argument that the US was the victor in those conflicts)

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[–] Gloria@sh.itjust.works 66 points 2 days ago

Your parents might lack empathy and are cruel, therefore they are looking for other cruel people to confirm their cruel behavior: The cruelty is the point

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/the-cruelty-is-the-point/572104/

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 day ago

Sorry to tell you this but the racism really resonated with them.

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Your parents are not nice people. It happens, my parents were not nice people.

[–] vladmech@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (3 children)

My parents care on the micro level, where it applies to people they directly know, but have no ability to show empathy on the macro level and it breaks my heart.

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago

The modern “conservative”. So self-centered that they only give a shit about something when it affects them. They wear this lack of empathy as a badge of honor.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

dude even Dick Cheney clears that bar

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[–] blarghly@lemmy.world 32 points 1 day ago (7 children)

The comments here are wild. So much judgement about people we literally know one single thing about.

There should really only be one answer to this question: "I dunno. Why don't you ask them?"

Just because your parents like some guy that they've never met doesnt mean they are evil, sociopathic, racist monsters. The most likely explaination is that they got walked down the right wing media rabbithole by some network of acquaintences, and now they are trapped in a fairy tale depiction of the world designed to appeal to their baser emotions.

People believe in bigfoot and the flat earth. Why? Mostly because they feel lonely and powerless, and want to feel like they are part of a group that is united in their knowledge of The Truth.

[–] prex@aussie.zone 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yours is the best answer but my kneejerk gut feeling is:

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Edit: The 'you' in this image refers to OP's parents.

[–] trslim@pawb.social 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think their just trapped in a bubble of bad info and are influenced by racism subconsciously. I KNOW my parents aren't bad people, but they sure as hell arent talking like good people or even well thought-out people.

I guess I just thought my parents were smarter, that they could see through this admins BS. They seriously claim that Trump is doing much better than Biden, but I talk to everyone I know, and they are all having money problems, food insecurity and housing problems, all being made worse under Trump.

I think my parents are just selfish. And it breaks my heart that they are betraying everything I thought I learned from them. I guess maybe they didnt influence me as much as I thought.

It was kind of funny though, because my husband was like, "Now you know how I feel." At least they are a-okay with me and my husband, though, at this rate, I'm worried that wont be the case in a couple years.

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m getting pretty convinced that as people get older, they get more selfish. The evidence is all anecdotal for me, but perhaps the mentality of “I don’t have much time left, better get mine” creeps in for those who aren’t satisfied with what they have. (Which, of course, is doubly so for those who were already selfish)

But yeah that propaganda “news” is a powerful bitch.

[–] Part4@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago

Recently I have been looking at how ai is likely to impact my job. There are things I would do career-wise, if I were in my twenties, that are not realistic at my age.

Ageism exists, so does the simple fact that an employee in their twenties can put in much longer hours (at least until they burn out) than I (who was worked to burnout in my 20's/30's).

I have to think carefully about what I am going to be able to do as I get older and weaker, in what I am sure is going to be a more economically constrained time.

That "I don't have much time left, better get mine" can be driven by fear, or legitimate concern, rather than selfishness, at least in some cases. Yeah others just want to pull up the drawbridge when they get economically secure. Capitalism pits us against each other, join a union, vote for genuine socialists or similar, or read a few books and try and change things.

Most reasonable answer. Propaganda is insidious. It is subtle, it can latch onto anything. It could be racism, that's one thing sure. It could be that they wanted lower taxes and over time it slowly convinced them it was all of the others. It could be anything. To assume like this, well, it's exactly why the right has so much just reasoning when saying we're quick to throw the racism card. Because, well just look at this thread.

[–] village604@adultswim.fan 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Right, and those who supported Hitler were just poor misinformed good people.

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[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 28 points 2 days ago

I'm guessing they consume a lot of Fox News or similar? Propaganda works.

[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I've got a former military buddy who is all about Pete because "he's not gonna let the fatties and the faggots fuck up our military anymore."

Nevermind that the navy has been called gay since their inception, or that muhreens have zero self discipline outside of a military situation, or that the air force has run more drug than most cartels, it's the "fatties and faggots" that are the problem.

I always knew my buddy was dumb, but it took that conversation for me to figure out that it went all the way down to the core of who he was as a person.

[–] stardust@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

Yeah, lot of bigots are self aware enough to try to hide their hatred and point to other things when it comes to making what they support more palatable to those who might not be. They aren't complete idiots like some immediately assume which is why they have been underestimated by the opposite side and gained such huge traction and seen increasing success.

Even the dumb ones don't try to show the full extent of the bigotry, since they know there are still some in society who resist such ideologies despite growing embracement of it.

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[–] village604@adultswim.fan 24 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Your parents are bad people

[–] Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Not bad per se, more very misinformed and very influenced dare I say manipulated, just sad yeah

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don’t make a distinction between the two. If you make a mistake, you made a mistake. If you keep making mistakes, and never learn from them, and insist that you don’t make mistakes then you are a bad person.

These are not children without life experience, they are adults who have seen, and experienced, and learned, and been corrected, and have still chosen evil.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)
  1. Decades of propaganda

  2. I'm not trying to insult here, but your parents aren't that smart. One of mine fell for it too.

Bottom line is if you fall for extremely obvious propaganda you are not, and never were, very intelligent.

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It's easy to win over weak people.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

It takes a certain type of fundamentally fucked-up personality to consider that killing and maiming is an acceptable career. The military then spends vast sums on further brutalising those people until they kill on command without question. Violence and cruelty stalk their lives. He is One of Us, therefore he is better than One of Them.

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I mean how does theoreticallyconservative small government folk support a real estate trust fund baby who openly take bribes, is building himself a castle, and floods the streets with masked, unmarked, paramilitary. Oh and constantly breaks the laws of the land put out by the forefathers along with a whole ton of other laws?

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[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 11 points 1 day ago

Party of suckers and losers.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 day ago

they're selfish and dumb and choose to be ignorant

simple as that. they might be nice people in some respects, but the above still holds true

[–] Flickerby@lemmy.zip 11 points 16 hours ago

You can't reason people out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 9 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I know America thinks being in the military is an amazing thing, but if we tune back to reality, soldiers are not excellent human beings.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago

being a soldier does not make you an excellent human being.

much like existing doesn't make you a good person.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 8 points 2 days ago

What do they say about him?

I can fully understand somebody having no opinion, but actively liking him? There must be positive stories about him on the far right news networks that I am not familiar with.

[–] FerretyFever0@fedia.io 8 points 2 days ago

They're dumb and/or terrible people. It happens.

[–] chilldrivenspade@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

easy. he’s a white republican man.

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

They watched him on FOXnews, thought he was "cute", about like a Sajak or a Kardashian. So why not put him in charge of the world's most lethal military?

[–] MourningDove@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Could it be that they’re morons? I mean. No offense to those in the armed services, but there’s a reason the minimum IQ requirements to enlist is roughly 20 points below the average score.

This doesn’t mean that our armed service members are all idiots, but it does illustrate the fact that there idiots allowed to walk among the ranks.

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Judge someone by the company they keep.

[–] Marshezezz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago

They’re shitty people

[–] Bunbury@feddit.nl 4 points 4 hours ago

I think my best guess is the “mere exposure effect”. The guy and his ego strikes me as something that’s probably fairly common in the military (as far as I can tell from the outside). Being exposed to a lot of men like him probably makes him feel comfortably familiar.

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