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[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 121 points 1 month ago (25 children)

They use facial recognition on us while we are not allowed to see their faces.

These guys need de-masking.

[–] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 71 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They need lifetimes in prison for treason and domestic terrorism.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 40 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We will never get there while they are anonymous. The path to prison starts with de-masking.

You can’t prosecute what has no identification.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Every single one of them has a timecard they're punching with a name, collective punishment against the entire agency should be on the table.

Even those sitting back behind a desk pushing paperwork are enabling the thugs in the streets.

[–] Zephorah@discuss.online 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Again though, until you connect their actions on the street, to a face, prosecution will never be possible.

The need unmasking, on the street.

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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 78 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Does the US legal system still exist in any sense that it should in a democracy?

I ask because I don't understand how all this is possible in a constitutional state: Masked brutes who arbitrarily kidnap people on the open street without even identifying themselves, people who are interned without due process and then often simply disappear without a trace in the administrative system, total surveillance without cause, and many other massive violations that the US legal system seems to enable rather than prevent, as it should.

All of this already looks very much like a dictatorship to me, i.e., an unjust state, as none of this can be possible with a democratic constitution - at least not with one that is actually upheld by the legal system.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 13 points 1 month ago (4 children)

No.

The people are so gaslit they will attack you if you say otherwise.

I wonder why our allies aren’t helping at this point. Surely they understand where this goes if they don’t stop it sooner rather than later. Europe is laughing at Americans ignoring the tiger that will eat them soon.

[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I am German and I am appalled by the behavior of our government: Instead of standing up to Trump and his henchmen and becoming independent from the US, they are kowtowing to him, even though it is completely obvious how little Trump cares about his so called allies—and since the US is nowadays blackmailing Europe with tariffs and so on, it takes a lot of imagination to still call them allies, especially when all halfway rational people are particularly disturbed by all the inhuman Nazi shit.

Unfortunately, however, the weak position of the current German government was already absolutely foreseeable before the last federal election, because the Chancellor, Friedrich Merz, is actually more of a US lobbyist than a politician (among other things, he was chairman of the supervisory board of Black Rock Germany until 2022 and held various positions in business lobby organizations such as the Atlantik-Brücke – a conservative think tank). Nothing can be expected from these people, although I unfortunately also think that US citizens should not count on any external support anyway.

[–] PushButton@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Why your "allies" don't help? Well, the USA shouldn't have spit in our face to begin with.

We have enough to fix in our own country with your stupid "USA first" moves.

Endure your own shit while we endure your shit...

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Does the US legal system still exist in any sense that it should in a democracy?

Hybrid Regime is how I describe the US. It's a weird limbo state between Democracy and Autocracy (because if this was a full autocracy, I wouldn't have access to Lemmy and most anti-trump media would've been raided and shut down). Afaik, they aren't doing exit controls yet.

The major difference between the US and PRC (where I came from), is that Americans seem more willing to resist the government compared to mainland Chinese, and these demonstrations in the US are actually being reported on, in China, its absolute silence, nobody even knows about the very little protests that do happen.

But, by the time EU starts accepting American Refugees, it'd probabably be too late and they would've imposed exit controls by then.

Idk what will happen, only time will tell.

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[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It does but we're in an act first ask questions later regime.

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 53 points 1 month ago (6 children)

An ICE officer may ignore evidence of American citizenship—including a birth certificate—if the app says the person is an alien

Cool, so I guess that means I can ignore evidence of the person/people at the door being law enforcement before enforcing my 2nd Amendment rights and state self-defense laws that also allow me to shoot to protect others.

[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We should act on protecting our rights and then ask questions later.

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[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Um, Americans also realize they’re ABDUCTING people without their consent too, right? And have been, for like months now?

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Most of us are well aware of that. I live in a neighborhood with a pretty high Hispanic population. ICE was reported just a few blocks from my house on Thursday, zero trick-or-treaters on Friday. There are still a discouraging about of people saying they support Trump and what he's doing on Nextdoor. I want to believe they're bots.

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[–] Dragonstaff@leminal.space 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

What is the point of comments like this? Yes, we realize this. Are you just hearing about it? Do we really have to face each new horror with admonishments that it is distracting us from the last horror?

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Is it illegal to have a facemask? People should start carrying around ski masks in their vehicles in case ICE approaches them. If they claim it's illegal then why the fuck is ICE wearing them?

[–] __siru__@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 1 month ago

Because it is an authoritarian regime now, and not a state of law and order anymore.

[–] SpankyDoodle@eviltoast.org 8 points 1 month ago

It's harder to racially profile a masked person or identify them in general.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Time to start wearing face paint / face tattoos that fuck with facial recognition.

[–] falcunculus@jlai.lu 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In their world, resisting surveillance will be probable cause for arrest, because you must have something to hide and need to be investigated.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

But it's my religious markings from my officially recognized religion/church.

[–] Xhead@lemmings.world 13 points 1 month ago

Like that makes a difference when they pick you up in a unmarked Ford transit and drop you off at the ~~concentration camp~~ ice detention facility

[–] Atropos@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Yeah but it's not THEIR religion, so you still are suspicious...

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

is it Christian? no? straight to jail, terrorist.

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[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

It doesn’t matter. At this point resistance is a responsibility. They will lie and make shit up either way so challenge them while you still can.

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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Ok time for everyone to dress like ice agents then. Masks for all.

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[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Reminder to everyone that it is COVID season, so wear a mask for your health.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And flu and cold season. Consider wearing gloves to keep your hands safe from diseases as well. Consider tinted glasses as well to keep the sun out of your eyes, and a hat or hoodie to protect from rain or snow.

Just basic health things, completely unrelated to cameras or anything.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We do like staying healthy

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You may also consider carrying a firearm. It's hibernation season, and the bears can get a bit frisky.

[–] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Bear spray also works on wild dogs, which are increasingly becoming a problem in suburban areas.

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[–] Prox@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

So look, this is just gonna happen. It's legal to film people in public (in the US) and we all know stores, etc. are already using facial recognition.

The real problem here is the (apparent, though almost certainly assured) lack of responsible use of the data. Scanning faces means you also get time, place, and event/activity, and the citizens then have zero control of what the govt does with this, who they share it with (e.g. Palantir), etc. All prior collection of US person data required appropriate approval, limited scope of access, and timely adjudication/disposal. But ICE is (again, apparently) operating outside the law.

[–] tourist@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Also, doesn't this shit just waste like a fuckton of taxpayer money?

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 7 points 1 month ago

By design. They want America bankrupt.

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[–] LMurch@thelemmy.club 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Remember kids, Juggalo makeup defeats facial recognition. Woop woop!

[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Everybody wear drag queen makeup!

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[–] arrow74@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I also hear beards still confuse the system so that's nice

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[–] Tehbaz@lemmy.wtf 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

At this point there is no voting your way back to normal anymore. As others have pointed out, the Democrats will ratchet their way further to the right in order to take office again, and the surveillance state will continue to expand under their authority (albeit somewhat less rapidly)

The lower classes must wake up to this reality and take meaningful steps to remove the ownership class from power once and for all. Holding signs and chanting in a public square during a weekend won't be enough, the rich and powerful must be in fear of losing their wealth and their lives.

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[–] minorkeys@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If they can, they will. That's the only rule you need to know about business and politics.

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[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Facial Recognition has always been racist this is nothing new in a broad sense.

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[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Serious question, with all this surveillance, would it become a thing to always wear a full mask in public.

I know, feels weird to ask that post pandemic, but here we are.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We aren’t post pandemic. They just want you to think we are.

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[–] mesamunefire@piefed.social 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

So hypothetically, what if a bunch of protestors showed up with IC E shirts/pants/etc.... without license plates and started to protest? How would they know who was who at that point?

It doesn't even look that hard to do given how much memorabilia there is online.

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

Just disguise yourself as your favorite Buck Rogers character.

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