Yes. The average reddit user NOW is further right than the average reddit user before the start of lemmy. Different people. The most left ones are with lemmy now.
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I don’t think Lemmy is large enough to have had a noticeable impact on the makeup of Reddit.
Not even some moisturiser?
I don’t think Lemmy is large enough to have had a noticeable impact on the makeup of Reddit.
I would not say that it is only lemmy. Reddit itself has changed, and that's why I think there are different people there.
Lemmy didn't but reddit marketing campaign, and new front page algorithm drew a new public. Sure they banned the totally not nazi edge lord and Trump hardcore far, but they attracted the I don't care about politic, vote for a personality but never left public too which you add the hordes of pro Russia/Israel troll/bots at the point the world news sub is unreadable
Yes. Even putting aside what enshittification has done to the userbase in recent years, Reddit has always skewed Democrat, Fediverse skews leftist.
Reasonable
The average reddit user is a bot
u/WordWord_1234 Usernames are sus af fuck
Accounts whose profile page have urls starting with reddit.com/u are also sus.
Like, if I take a single user that I consider to exemplify each? Yes, the lemming will be left, socially and economically, of the redditor.
If we take a statistical average of each? The lemmy average will be screamingly farther left of the reddit average.
If we exclude bots and take the averages of only human users of each? Farther apart than the first but not nearly as far apart as the the second.
What am I basing this on? Multiple years of modding one of the larger not-explicity-political subs and also two explicitly political subs. So, vibes, basically, but lots of them over a long time.
Id agree. I spent around a decade on reddit and only about a month here. I think a big part of it is just the smaller user base on Lemmy. I'm personally a liberal but not a far left one. Noticing a particularly strong tilt here.
I've definitely had to block far more tankies here than right wingers. They are such an odd bunch. Never heard of them before I came here. They seem like a weird thought-experiment run amok.
Eh, at least I never seen a comment telling me to "go back to [my] country" on Lemmy, so a slight improvement. The far right is way more nasty than the average tankie. Some tankies are just hillarious, especially like "Cowbee" parrotting ridiculous pro-CCP views, its like comic relief.
I don't understand tankies...
Like dude, it's so clear russia and cccp are not left leaning! They are foremost self-serving!
This is like calling the Nazis left leaning because they had a few social policies.
Also, I mean I also like soviet aesthetics, it doesn't mean that I am going to ass lick their authoritarian asses.
People lack nuance.
Its basically the opposite of Cuban Americans, who lived in a self-proclaimed "communist" regime and therefore hates anything remotely associated with "the left", and thinks conservatism is somehow "pro-freedom".
Tankies on the internet are mostly westerners who, because they disagree with the way their country does things, decides to hate everything about their country and "the west" in favor of the "other side"
It's Campism
As a Chinese-American, I see through the bullshit of both China and the US, the different flavors of nationalism, I have my own experience in the first decade of my life there, as well as my relatives' direct testimonies, including two of them who are my parents who, even tho has biases in worldview, generally has truthful information, and also my aunts who are still in China and has regular contact with my parents, and the various friends of my parent who frequently travel to and from China, that, along with my experience growing up in the US, I have a more knowledged worldview than either a Mainland Chinese who spent their entire life in China, or a Westerner who've never lived life in China from the PoV of a local.
I know that both countries have their issues, but I do know that, it's a consensus amongst the Chinese Diaspora (those that I know, anyways) that western countries are typically better than whatever "communist" (which isn't even communist, they are State Capitalist) thing they got going on in China. The west isn't perfect, xenophobia and racism does exist, as always when you mix people from different backgrounds, but if you get over that hurdle, find somewhere relatively liberal/progressive, things are usually better. And also I know enough about what the acual economic system in the "communist" country is actually like, and not become an idiot that supports far-right "anti-communists" xenophobes, like... wtf people, stop siding against your own right to live in the country.
Most people don't get the opportunity to live in both worlds, and lack of information is how people form those extremist views, either completely believes that their country is always right all the time, or completely believes their country is always wrong all the time and that therefore the other side is right. Reality is much more nuanced.
Tankies?
Yea, like 'communists' who have gone so far 'left' that they will stand by authoritarian regimes like China and the USSR despite evidence showing them to be abusive to citizens in similar ways to capitalism.
Anyways, farewell, for I must away again before they hunt me for sport like they did during the Russian revolution. (I am an anarchist, btw. Welcome to Lemmy)
Ah, I see. Sounds like a shit group.
Authoritarian campist bootlickers pretending to be leftists. They have far more in common with the right wing than leftists and can often be found trying to defend Russia, China and North Korea. Lemmy's developers are tankies.
Yes
Yes. Like extremely
The average Reddit user only exists on a server farm these days
I don’t know about the average user, but the average commenter - almost definitely, yes. Making any kind of centrist or right-leaning noises here gets you mobbed instantly, so most people just don’t bother. Whether that reflects the actual majority or just a loud minority remains unclear.
Depends on the community. There's some absolute nutters over on things like hexbear and Lemmy ML.
Before or after reddit started capitulating to fascists and mass bans?
Reddit is main-stream, so should be (and is) mostly centered. Lemmy is more niche and while it has some far right people, it overall leans left.
Lemmy is more niche and ... overall leans left.
Like Reddit used to be in the good days.
i remember reddit being full of techie libertarian bros in the 2000s. it non-authoritarian but it was pretty conservative socially. tons of fragile masculinity brogrammer types who had really warped views on women and 'the government'.
it started diversifying rapidly in the early 2010s.
I just got banned for 7 days from Reddit for "threatening violence" for saying the Trump administration deserves the death penalty (which is an actual thing that exists legally in the US) and that the GOP should be dissolved.
A few days ago, an AskReddit thread led me to a group where men were promoting rape and violence against women. Reddit did not ban that.
You tell me.
EDIT: Something funny from the message they sent me: "Reddit is a place for creating community and belonging, not for threatening violence against people or animals." I wish they'd clarify whether it was people or animals that I threatened. It continues "Any communities or people that threaten violence towards an individual, group, animals, or place will be banned." Not the one where a bunch of dudes were promoting rape, though.
A friend of mine always says "Averages are a poor measure of a population. For example: I have more than the average number of legs for a human."
The ones I encounter certainly. I don't hang out on Reddit anymore, but I have had a glance now and again and one of the more noticable things are that my own national subreddit there are a lot of right wing/alt right viewpoints loudly touted. In the posts I encounter on lemmy, at least in the sphere I am a part of, it is much more of a leftist general vibe. I don't mind too much.
While echo chambers are not great, it is quite refreshing to have a break from the hate. Or at least have the hate directed in a way I am more comfortable with, I guess.
Well since reddit pretends to be far right (and full of bots which is another topic but also renders reddit fake & useless), and most of us are here because Reddit was intolerant of our defiance to adhere to its right-wingedness, yeah I'd say fediverse is left. We're free people who refuse to have our free-thinking & free speech squashed.
reddit suppresses leftist message, outside of center right. now it allows more astroturfing from the right through israel and russia. and were not talking about the extremes like tankies.
Definitely
There’s no question.
Depends, the average .world user is roughly equivalent to the average Reddit user. However I would say the average blahaj or db0 user is significantly further left.
if you turn on bots the average lemmy user is a bot