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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 124 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Time to repeat my topical story.

I worked for a startup that prided itself on being "data driven". They'd talk about how other startups were doing stupid things because they followed their feelings instead of data.

One day in one of those all hands meetings, the CEO was taking questions. Someone said, "Studies are showing that four day work weeks are more effective on like every metric. Can we look into that?"

The CEO said "No, we're not doing that ". Didn't read the linked studies. Didn't entertain it at all. His mind was made up, and the data was irrelevant.

Because he doesn't really care about data. He cares about feeling smart and irreverent. He cares about being seen as a cool disruptive startup guy who's going to grind his way to success.

The dishonesty makes me want to puke.

But you know what also makes me sick? All the sycophantic boot lickers that would gather round and tell him his every idea was great. The people who would work unpaid long hours to "get shit done". Bunch of fucking wormtongues who would sell out their coworkers for crumbs.

Maybe he was a real person once who really did care about data. But by the time I met him, he was an empty suit

[–] quetzaldilla@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago

Lol, did we work at the same place?

"Empty suits" it's the realest statement.

I resigned my position because I couldn't take it anymore. I told leadership that I refuse to use my skills and talents for those who I do not respect, and they responded by saying that there was a lot of money on the line.

They can fucking keep it. Fucking ghouls.

[–] Hasherm0n@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

You just reminded me of a similar incident at a company I worked at. Larger than a startup, but still not huge. Same situation where it was a question at an all hands, the response from the CTO was simply that he had not seen that data and immediately moved on.

Funny thing was, the guy that asked the question wasn't even adding about a 32 hour work week, he just wanted to option to do 4 10s over 5 8s but they moved on from his question so fast they never gave him a chance to clarify.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 44 points 3 days ago

They know this. A schismed individual is a compliant employee.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 42 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I've been studying managers for much longer, and I've reached a very clear conclusion: they don't care.

Managers are playing the game. Rules vary from company to company but are broadly similar.

  • Take credit for your subordinates work as if you did it.

  • Make sure you have enough scapegoats to cover the fuckups.

[–] elderorb@feddit.nl 39 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Does anyone have a link to the actual study? The article doesn't seem to have it.

[–] NycterVyvver@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago

I'm having a tough time finding it. I found this citation from an article that appeared to reference the same four year study.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0248008

[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What? You don't automatically trust "The Editorial Team's" assertion at the bottom that "This article is based on verified sources and supported by editorial technologies" is valid? I mean they linked to a few other articles - the fact they're only ones on their own site shouldn't matter...

🙄 "Trust me, bro!"

[–] NycterVyvver@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 33 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Sleep. Precious beautiful sleep. I can roll out of bed, rip a huge wet fart, log into Teams, pretend to care for 5 minutes, go right back to sleep (and still be able to smell that fart, thankfully), take a long nap, get up to take a big smooth dump, then put in the same 3 hours of actual work I'd do at the office, then play Sokoban all afternoon. All the while reducing resource usage.

This is the UBI/leisure society I was promised as a kid.

If you spend most of your day getting to and from work, then pretending to be busy at the office, you don't have time to think or be a threat to the billionaires by starting your own competing company/product.

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 28 points 3 days ago (4 children)

I find it really weird that companies would want to pay the enormous cost of maintaining huge buildings full of people, that don't actually need to be there, in person. That just seems like a huge waste of money.

[–] ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 31 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Partly because people that control large companies that lease large office buildings have a lot of money to lose if office space were devalued as much as it should be.

Large commercial office spaces are one of the more historically stable investments that banks have money tied up in. The WFH shift of covid was a massive threat to those portfolios and freaked people out

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

This is the answer. And the C levels renting from these spaces are absolutely invested in the companies that lease the space.

I've seen it even more incestuous as well. CEO buys building for kids and lets other C levels get in on it. The company rents a space. Everyone at C level agrees it's the best space because they can get a sweetheart deal on rent for the company. Company pays for space, money flows back to C Suite and CEO doesn't have to pay for kids' lifestyles anymore.

There's a very nice office building like that down from me, except it's CEOs cousin or nephew or something. It came out when they started pushing for RTO as soon as they could.

Must be nice getting C level salary, a little extra in your bonus for getting a sweetheart rental deal, and passive income from being a partial owner of the building your company rents from.

[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 days ago

Control freaks are afraid of not getting the full attention of their employees - especially the "overemployed" crowd holding down multiple jobs simultaneously while working from home.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 9 points 3 days ago

The money isn't the whole point. It's also about control and emotions. Management wants to feel a way and they'll pay for it. And/or make you pay for it

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 27 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Working in an office for 8 hours a day costs me an additional hour getting ready and commuting to to work, an hour away from home for lunch, an hour commuting back home and unwinding after work, turning 8 hours of paid labor into 11 hours of doing shit for other people.

Working at home claws back 15 hours a week.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It’s also how I got into a head on collision when some oblivious guy who pulled out in a left turn with oncoming headlights (me) driving straight in the lane. Close to home like most crashes are statistically, had I not been made to drive down to the office building then the rental car and repairs would never have been needed. There are costs everywhere that can be factored into this.

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[–] hark@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Advancing tech was sold as a way to make all our lives better. Here is an instance of tech making our lives better, but instead companies dismiss it because the real purpose of tech for the capital class is control.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

You mean we had a worldwide event that proved to us that an incredible technology that allows us to work remotely could actually be used to work remotely, then our overlords chose to ignore that and now studies are proving what we already knew was true, is true?

Neat.

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It is 0850. I start at 0900. I am still in bed.

Working from home is great.

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Its amazing but only because the alternative is so horrible, we really, really appreciate working from home.

I think its also having a strong effect om how we are as people. Office culture changes people, into scared little humans who self censor themselves to fit in, and use language they think makes them sound professional.

Its a waste of life. We are originals. We are unique personalities. Not clones, not resources to exploit.

If humanity survives capitalism, and its a big if, we will look back at this and wonder what we were thinking.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Facts don't matter anymore, get your ass to the office!

Mostly US companies

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[–] marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works 19 points 3 days ago

Could’ve just asked.

[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I love the way any article which says remote work is good still has to use the word, "surprisingly" as often as possible. Nobody is surprised.

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[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Did the web site swap in a completely unrelated story about how swimming is good exercise for people over 55?

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[–] DegenerationIP@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Aaaaand See how people will deny scientific research for the sake of Control.

I'm fed Up on how much a workplace wants to Control anyones Life. And all the rights that have ever been fought for under a broad Attack every single day. And it kinda feels like we're losing the battle.

Unionize!

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[–] don@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] FunctionallyLiterate@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 days ago

Like they GAF. They've got the money & politicians in their pockets, so inconvenient truths are easily trodden over.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago

Which is why the ruling class has decided we can't have it...

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Me with ADHD who can't do shit from home, hiding in the back corner of the open space.

[–] Bo7a@piefed.ca 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Isn't diversity neat? My ADHD pulls a gun on me if I get within 30 meters of an office.

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

It’s the shareholders who own our government that make money off commercial real estate that want everyone back at work. Shareholders don’t give a fuck about your wellbeing. They’re literally looting our government, destroying any and all global safety nets and installing facism worldwide quite publicly.

[–] hperrin@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This has been correct for all of human history. I’m not sure why anyone would have assumed the invention of the cubicle would have changed this.

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[–] Angelevo@feddit.nl 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

All about balance. Working from home is such an improvement from past times. Face to face contact with your peers should not be underestimated though - very valuable.

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[–] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It largely depends on if you can afford to have a room dedicated as your home office.

Working/relaxing cannot happen in the same space. Our brains are not wired to do such a dramatic difference in mental activity in the same location. That's also why bedrooms should be used for sleeping and fucking ONLY. Once you start reading/scrolling in bed, your brain makes that connection, "Oh, I'm in bed, I should doomscroll for the next 3 hours" instead of "Oh, I'm in bed. I should sleep."

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

As someone who currently sleeps, works, and relaxes in the same room these absolutes you're throwing out come off as hilarious. I've literally always lived in a room with both my bed and my computer, always worked and gamed from my computer, always slept within a couple of meters of my desk chair and computer.

You absolutely can work, relax, and sleep in the same space.

Does that mean I prefer that? Could I gain some meaningful benefits from having more spaces to dedicate to certain tasks? Absolutely. And the moment we tax the ultra-wealthy out of existence and therefore make housing affordable again, I'll make those rooms.

But working from home is not reliant on a square ft/m metric that the home must pass, nor how those spaces are organized or themed. I think saying it does only hurts my ability to stay at home, which is better for the environment, the economy, my productivity, and most importantly my life and mental health.

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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Working from home also proved that the "middle-manager" was at best, a part-time job, maybe not necessary at all.

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[–] laranis@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Evidence shows performance holds or climbs when people choose flexible setups with solid support from managers and peers.

That's the part these chuckle-head RTO folks willfully ignore. In a virtual environment you have to lead differently, and since they're never the ones who are wrong it must be everyone else who is broken.

With the right leadership and support mechanisms virtual work absolutely can raise all boats. But that means you have to be willing to change. And open-mindedness is not typically an attribute selected for in corporate senior leaders.

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