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On Sept. 11, Michigan representatives proposed an internet content ban bill unlike any of the others we've seen: This particularly far-reaching legislation would ban not only many types of online content, but also the ability to legally use any VPN.

The bill, called the Anticorruption of Public Morals Act and advanced by six Republican representatives, would ban a wide variety of adult content online, ranging from ASMR and adult manga to AI content and any depiction of transgender people. It also seeks to ban all use of VPNs, foreign or US-produced.

Main issue I have with this article, and a lot of articles on this topic, is it doesn't address the issue of youth access to porn. I think any semi-intelligent person knows this is a parenting issue, but unfortunately that cat's out of the bag, thanks to the right. "Proliferation of porn" is the '90s crime scare (that never really died) all over again. If a politician or industry expert is speaking against bills like this, their talking points have to include:

  • Privacy-respecting alternatives that promise parents that their precious babies won't be able to access that horrible dangerous porn! (I don't argue that porn can't be dangerous, but this is yet another disingenuous right-wing culture (holy) war)
  • Addressing that vagueness in the bill sets up the government as morality police (it's right there in the title of the bill, FFS), and NOBODY in a "free" country should ever want that.
  • Stop saying it can be bypassed with technology. The VPN ban in this bill is a reaction to talking points like that.
  • Recognize and call out that this has nothing to do with protecting children and everything to do with a religious minority imposing its will on the rest of the country (plenty of recent examples to pull from here).

Unfortunately this is becoming enough of "A Thing" that the left is going to have to, once again, be seen doing "something" about it. So they have to thread a needle of "protecting kids," while respecting the privacy of their parents who want their kids protected and want to look at porn, and protecting businesses that require secure communications.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Could they even ban VPNs? Is that even possible?

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[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The bill, called the Anticorruption of Public Morals Act and advanced by six Republican representatives, would ban a wide variety of adult content online, ranging from ASMR and adult manga to AI content and any depiction of transgender people. It also seeks to ban all use of VPNs, foreign or US-produced.

Back to the 19th century, of tent revivals and people like Carry Nation. If they can't make America be like Iran, they would try first with an entire state.

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[–] ozzy@olio.cafe 0 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Republicans should attach their version of the bible to their version of the First Amendment. Make it official.

[–] evenglow@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's called Project 2025. At some point they will rename it to King Trump's Bible.

[–] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Didn't he already release a bible? I can't keep up with this timeline anymore....

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (8 children)

It seems quite obvious to me that this will, in fact, not work. I'd even argue that nobody wants it to work. Only to introduce a law that a lot of people will break at some point, to have an excuse to target them later in the future if the need arises.

No project like this will produce any significant results in any western country. It's simply impossible to implement without full supervision and control over the entire Internet. China was able to block all online porn due to having such infrastructure. And that was possible due to a vastly different culture. We don't.

In general, the issue of widespread pornography is very analogous to climate change. We've been warned about this for decades, and yet, have done nothing to prevent it. All we can, and in my opinion should be doing, is limiting its presence in our societies, especially in the context of children. This would no doubt involve online ID verification at some stage, though that can be done with respect towards privacy.

The bill, called the Anticorruption of Public Morals Act and advanced by six Republican representatives, would ban a wide variety of adult content online, ranging from ASMR and adult manga to AI content and any depiction of transgender people.

Also, what's up with targetting ASMR? It has no inherent relation to adult content. The transgender people part isn't surprising and we know where that's coming from.

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[–] CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

That could spell trouble for VPN owners and other internet users who leverage these tools to improve their privacy, protect their identities online, prevent ISPs from gathering data about them or increase their device safety when browsing on public Wi-Fi.

Is the extent of their knowledge on VPNs just what they heard from a NordVPN commercial? Not once in the article do they mention corporate VPNs.

Unfortunately this is becoming enough of "A Thing" that the left is going to have to, once again, be seen doing "something" about it.

I completely disagree with this sentiment and any Democrat that agrees with this isn't on "the left, but one more diet-Republican who exists solely to legitimize everything the right is doing at every turn.

[–] rozodru@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

they don't understand it. How are you going to stop people from having a dedicated server outside the country and then setting up their own VPNs? Wireguard is free and easy to access, how do you stop that?

If I want to open up my personal VPN to a bunch of Americans to use for free then what? I'm not American, my server isn't in America, so why can't I just give access to a few Americans? Hell my server would be great cause it's located in a University so...student discounts!

[–] base10@midwest.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I find this argument fascinating. The point isn't technological prevention. It's so they can punish you, if they choose to, if they find you using one. I'd wager they prefer that people doing illegal things do use vpn, so they can a) build and use tools to detect it, since then by definition only criminals will use it, and b) rack up criminal charges. And of course c) ignore it if they want (either for legit reasons, like corp vpn, or because the user is an in-group member or somebody they want leverage on)

“Give me six lines written by the most honest man, and I will find something in them to hang him". This just makes it easier to find something.

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tor won't be affected by this.

Tor bridges are virtually impossible for even major governments to detect, much less block.

Unfortunately it works like any other prohibition: when the regulated legal market goes away, the hard stuff takes over

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tor bridges are blocked in China

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Source for this assertion?

China blocks old style bridges like obfs-4. They recently managed to detect some snowflake bridges, but again only against individually targeted users -- they can't find "all Tor users in Shanghai" for example.

I suggest some background reading

https://harpia.pages.torproject.net/support/censorship/connecting-from-china/

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

https://pastebin.com/ZLb7YaQe

I was able to access only one webpage before it stopped working, just the google page that said it detected suspicious activity

now nothing is loading

almost half an hour later I loaded the google front page, but after searching for something the next page won't come up. Maybe not true that it's "blocked", but it's not usable in any way

[–] nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

A lot depends on your Tor circuit. There are lots of very slow Snowflake nodes (FWIW I operate on an a VPS with high bandwidth and ~98% uptime)

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[–] kbal@fedia.io 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You ever tried setting up such a server anonymously in a way that can't be tracked by American authorities? It can be done, but they've already made that difficult and/or expensive.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just buy a VPS with crypto? It's not expensive, it's a few bucks a month

[–] kbal@fedia.io 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah it does look like maybe that's got easier since I looked into it, although the prices I see are maybe 3x the cost of the average VPN and of course being securely anonymous is still beyond the abilities of most of us.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I don't know about 3x, I run my VPS on $5 a month but there are even cheaper options around even paying with crypto

[–] kbal@fedia.io 0 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Bear in mind that paying with crypto doesn't make you anonymous unless you're careful about it and use monero or something. If you did that and avoided giving any other identifying info to the provider, I'd be curious to know where to sign up for that.

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[–] FishFace@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you can block access to commercial VPNs and render anyone else using VPNs liable to prosecution you achieve what they want.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can't block commercial VPNs. I can put a commercial VPN website up right now, it takes like a second. All I need is a crypto payment address and I'll share my VPN servers

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ok, and how are you going to tell people that it exists? Not through YouTube sponsor slots, because you'll get deleted quicker than you put it up.

So only a tiny number of people will know that your VPN exists. That's "good enough" for the censorious.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lemmy doesn't have that many users... How are you going to reach the people who aren't arch users ;)

Seriously though, tech enthusiasts live a technological solution but a ban is a societal thing and it doesn't have to be perfect. Look at China.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] FishFace@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Jesus.

As far as I can tell, you are arguing that it won't become impossible to use a VPN. But no-one has said that it will be, and what I and others are trying to point out, is that VPN usage will become more difficult and rare. The vast majority of people will be restricted from viewing the content that the government objects to, whatever that is.

If you have anything to say about that rather than repeating the point that, yes, for the knowledgeable, for the tech-literate, for the people with the will and the spare time and the energy, VPN usage will still be available, feel free to. Maybe you think that actually everyone will use a VPN - why? why won't a massive reduction in marketed options not reduce usage massively? Maybe you think that actually it doesn't matter - why? why does it not matter that the average person will be unable to get information censored by the government?

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

is it doesn’t address the issue of youth access to porn. I think any semi-intelligent person knows this is a parenting issue

There sure are a lot of stupid fucking people then, huh?

Unfortunately this is becoming enough of “A Thing” that the left is going to have to, once again, be seen doing “something”

Personally I think the left should hammer in on "The right are too lazy and incompetent to raise their kids. They want the government to do it for them. No one who's too unwilling or unable to spend time with their kids should be in government" or something like that. Just rub their noses in how stupid, lazy, and incompetent, the right is. Because they are. They are the worst people.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There sure are a lot of stupid fucking people then, huh?

I mean... yeah? Seen any election results in the past few years?

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The fact that Republicans get any votes past the year 2012 is enough to convince me that about 1/3 of Americans are dumber than a box of rocks.

[–] IronBird@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

we built our national public education system around breeding compliant factory workers, then cut all the factory jobs.

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