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[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

"She was stopped by three enforcement officers". Some fucking heros.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (6 children)

This is one of those times it pays to actually read the article. The fine has been thrown out. Whatever patrol men ran up and fined her for polluting waterways were clearly overzealous and the council threw the charge out when she appealed it.

The storm drains in my area all have prominent “no dumping” signs on them, because they do drain to sensitive waterways that would impact wildlife and the environment if they were polluted. But I think the main thrust of this is keeping people from dumping their anti-freeze and motor oil and old gasoline and paint and shit like that.

So on the one hand, I kind of understand the instinct to say “hey don’t dump your shit there, that’s a storm drain” but obviously a few sips of coffee isn’t going to hurt anything.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The article was updated a few hours ago but when it was originally posted and accumulated its first slew of upvotes, the fine hadn't been rescinded yet and the only statement from the council was that their enforcement officers had acted appropriately and the fine was appropriate.

Also, in much of the UK, the surface water and foul water drains both go into a single combined sewer system, with areas that have been built up for centuries like this one being most likely to still use that old approach.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They clearly only rescinded it because of the media attention. The real story is that England’s councils are now so stripped to the bone on austerity that they’re hiring roaming enforcers to enforce fines on obscure regulations and instruments to raise money.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Seriously. If you wouldn't fine them for littering by dumping the coffee on the pavement right beside the drain (which it would washinto on the first rainstorm) then they shouldn't fine them for anything by dumping it directly into the drain.

No one is going to get fined for dumping coffee on the sidewalk. But they might get fined for dumping oil or paint on the sidewalk.

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Yeah that’s a good point. Can you imagine getting a ticket because you spilled your coffee?

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[–] Gnugit@aussie.zone 17 points 1 week ago
[–] TRock@feddit.dk 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They said she should have poured the coffee into a bin instead?! I think the garbage men disagree, they dont like liquids in the trash

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Based on the title alone I thought that she was a barista who poured hundreds of liters of coffee down the drain or something which might make sense. But no, just the last sip on her cup in order to prevent it from spilling in the bus or causing problems in the trash bin. Do they fine people if they accidentally drop their full cup too?

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[–] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Not the Onion...

[–] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Apart from the stupidity of the fine itself, why is it 150 but only 100 if you can pay it in 14 days? Thats insane. "You cant afford to pay this fine immediately so pay more"????

[–] _wizard@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Zizzy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah thats my point along with my never ending horror of the capitalist dystopia we live in

[–] threeduck@aussie.zone 1 points 1 week ago

Makes people less inclined to fight or ignore it when there's a time limit like that.

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

For the last bit of a single coffee? That's a fully organic compound.

You'd probably get the same fine for emptying a drum of used motor oil into it.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

This story is really poor and badly reported, as it doesn't explain WHY the Environmental Protection Act 1990 has these fines in place and why what this women did was wrong. Instead it's a clickbait story that implies the woman is a victim.

In the UK (and like many places) there are 2 systems of water drainage in urban areas - the surface water drainage (which is for rainwater) and the sewage system (which is dirty and drains toilets, home sinks, etc).

The surface water drainage runs eventually into fresh water such as lakes, rivers, and the sea, untreated. So if you pour coffee down a rain drain, it is contaminating the fresh water. It may seem ridiculous to fine someone for the dregs of one coffee, but if everyone were putting waste water in the rainwater drains / gutters it would have a detrimental impact on the ecosystem. It's already a huge problem as people DO put contaminated water into these drains, probably due to widespread ignorance.

The sewage system is for contaminated waste; that water is collected and treated and either reused for drinking water or then released back into the fresh water system. Finish your coffee OR take it with you to a place where you can dispose of it into the sewage system.

She needs to pay her fine, educate herself and understand she is not a victim here. She did something wrong.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago

What she did was right. It was safe. Your slippery slope would apply to bulk dumping or actually dangerous liquids. In reality, roads and roofs are covered with all kinds of dirt and things, all of which gets washed into the storm sewer every time it rains. But here you are pretending a quarter cup of coffee could possibly be problematic.

[–] blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

So all the diesel runoff from leaky lorries, tractors, badly maintained vehicles etc and, whatever else that gets spilt on the roads goes into our waterways untreated?

Plus Thames water has been releasing raw sewage into our waterways.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-67357566

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[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

It’s already a huge problem as people DO put contaminated water into these drains, probably due to widespread ignorance.

You talk of ecosystems, but we're talking about a beverage made entirely of natural biodegradable ingredients. It's bean water. You may as well complain about the runoff coming out of a nature preserve.

[–] LadyButterfly@reddthat.com 1 points 1 week ago

Thanks for explaining

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[–] Networkcathode@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

I would suggest that everyone in richmond now has a duty to pour a cup of coffee into a council bin, since that is the correct place to pour coffee.

This.... this is the "world news" today?.... Just wasting our time... intentionally im sure.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

to deposit or dispose of waste in a way likely to pollute land or water

Its not "likely" at all tho, because the drain leads to a water treatment plant that constantly deals with literal feces...

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's the UK. It's a big scandal at the moment that most of the drains lead to rivers, lakes and the sea with only a small fraction of sewage actually being processed before being released from the processing plant. The fines for not processing the sewage were smaller than the costs of building and running treatment plants, so the water companies have just been paying the fines and giving all the money they were paid to build the treatment plants to shareholders as dividends. As no one's broken any laws they haven't already nominally been punished for, there aren't any realistic and politically tenable solutions unless billions of pounds can become magically available.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Well thats fucking outrageous. That means the UK is constantly flooding the ocean with tire rubber, oil and gasoline, dropped trash, fecal matter from animals, etc

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you're worried about animal fecal matter making it into the waterways, I have bad news about fish

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

"I don't drink water, fish fuck in it." - I forget who said this

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Fish don't actually fuck though.

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Even worse, they spew it all into the water (in specific areas where they "spawn"). In this case "fuck" was used as a procreation term rather than the literal penetration.

[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is coffee even considered waste?

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[–] BananaTrifleViolin@piefed.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That is incorrect - there are 2 water drainage systems in the UK. Surface water / rain goes into the surface system and that flows freely into the water table untreated (rivers, lakes etc). It is not designed for dirty water.

The sewage system is totally separate - that is for contaminated water (toilets, sinks) and that goes to sewage treatment plants. It should be treated before it is released into the freshwater system.

So yes, it IS polluting the fresh water by putting things into the rain drainage system.

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah i have already learned from other comments that the UK is uncivilized but thanks for the clarification.

[–] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

I'm not sure if it's an admirable trait to double down on your ignorance, but I'm kind of impressed by your willingness to do it in front of everyone.

[–] wischi@programming.dev 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I don't know the situation in the UK but some countries have separate drains depending on if it's waste water or just a regular rain water drainage. Rain water drainages are often not treated in any way (because why, it's rainwater anyway) but waste water is processed in treatment plants.

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[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In Florida, rain gutters that flow to open waterways are marked as such with special reminders / warnings. Perhaps that would be a decent compromise here. Then one can't say they didn't know.

[–] AnyOldName3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The UK only has one type of sewer, so the storm drains flow into the same waste processing plants as the toilets. However, those waste processing plants then declare an emergency due to unexpected high volumes and just dump everything into open waterways if it's rained within the past week, which, as it's the UK, it almost always has. There are multiple issues at play here, and they're all dumb and foreseeable if you assume companies will do whatever is most profitable without breaking the law, and none of them are this person's fault.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Ooooo...RFK knows where to swim next.

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