Men will LITERALLY construct an entire persona based around their phobias as a result of trauma over witnessing the murder of their parents during a mugging orchestrated by crime bosses and spend millions of dollars on toys and gadgets to act out revenge fantasies and calling it vigilante justice rather than go to therapy.
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Doesn’t he do both?
Bruce Wayne goes to therapy, not Batman, it's different (canonically).
So uh … his therapist must suck for not treating that borderline Personality Disorder and uncovering his dissociative identity disorder
Given that the most successful therapists in Gotham are people like Dr. Harleen Quinzel, I'm not confident they can overlook their own issues.
Batman IS the primary personality and he's never gone to therapy, so theres really nothing the Therapist can do about it at that point.
No it's fine, Batman is the real person. Bruce Wayne is the fake and that's why he needs therapy.
Every time he talks to a therapist they end up becoming a villain.
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I remember in some of the animated series that he would go to therapy but was not open and putting up his playboy billionaire persona. Honestly it seemed like a waste of a time for him if he wasn't being honest, unless it was to keep up appearances. Closest I think he gets to actual therapy is talking to Alfred.
This thread is full of people who have never read Batman comics.
Gothman is literally cursed from head to toe to be the way it is.
Batman is effectively sisyphus in that regard.
Gothman has syphillis?
Lmao, im gonna leave it.
Gothman is a meme in my friend group. He is effectively sad batman, a regular goth guy, and a visigoth all at the same time or which he ever needs to be at the time.
He may not be the meme we deserve, but he is the one that we need to burn Rome.
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Not only that, most fully realized versions of the character channel both the vigilante AND playboy personas to fight crime, using Wayne Enterprises to create welfare programs and jobs so Gothamites need not resort to crime to put food on the table.
There’s a scene where Batman pacifies a room of Black Mask goons without lifting a FINGER - he hacks the projector screen simply shows them a Wayne Foundation advertisement for better, safer jobs. One by one, every man simply drops their weapons and walks out the door as their crime boss irately yells at them to come back.
Gothman is literally cursed from head to toe to be the way it is.
It's more like, this post is full of people describing why the only way the storyline can stay realistic is by introducing supernatural evil.
If it were not a cursed city and if Batman was really a hero who wanted to help people, he would do the social programs and investment in community, but that would be a pretty lousy monthly comic book for kids to read and buy batman merchandise.
He already does all that on top of being batman.
He does do those though?
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We are assuming that somehow if Wayn pays large sums of wealth to the government, the government wouldn't just be their usual wasteful, corrupt, self serving self with said money. You get every current billionaire in the USA to pay a fair tax. Where do you think the money goes? Funding for food stamps or Lockeed-Martin?
Also in the DC universe, the equivalent of Lockeed-Martin is Wayne Enterprises. There's stories where Bruce is conflicted in making weapons, but nonetheless, his fortune is built on the military industrial complex.
So Bruce Wayne is somehow worse than freaking Tony Stark?
Then again Stark is an inventor and comics-level genius who lacks a secret identity, so pivoting to another industry was way easier for him. Bruce Wayne probably can't change his company too much without losing a ton of pull and drawing unwanted attention to himself, plus losing access to the gadgets he relies on.
Didn't Stark divest from weapons manufacturing to researching clean energy instead, after he got hit by that one bomb of his?
I haven't read the comics, just what I remember from the movies
Yeah, that's why I said worse than Stark. He pivoted away from supporting the Military-Industrial Complex when he realized it was hurting people, whereas Batman hasn't.
It's just odd since Batman is supposed to have ironclad ethics, whereas Iron Man is famously a hypocritical ass (though much less so in the MCU than in the comics, from what I've heard).
Meanwhile, the DoD is like: "Hey, anyone else kinda wondering why these bombs, ammunition boxes, and rifles are all kinds bat-shaped. Wayne enterprises is weird"
Underfunding the government through tax cuts makes corruption more likely. The richer the rich are, the easier it is to manipulate the government for them. Why do you think so much money goes to Lockheed Martin? Who gets government contracts isn’t chosen at random, there are moneyed interests involved.
If the income tax graduations are steep enough then the billionaire class will optimize to minimize taxes by reducing their own income in favor of reinvesting in their business and employees. In theory. In reality I'm sure they'd find some way to squirrel it away while their employees apply for and get denied food stamps.
You're assuming we'd stop at Bruce Wayne.
The same people willing go after Batman are willing to go after Lockheed-Martin and every politician they paid for.
I think pretty much every study even made has shown taxing the rich and investing in the public reduce crime rates and poverty. It's the reason the USA had a massive middle class before Reagan and has experienced massive wealth disparity today: differences in tax policy and public investment.
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Tax wealth not work
Oh you're saying we should tax wealth, and we should not tax work.
For a second I thought you were saying "taxing wealth does not work" like a tribal. Few word sometimes do trick.
Tax income no work
Wealthy still get more wealth
No wealthy get even less wealth
Must tax wealthy not no wealthy
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isn't a big part of the whole setup that this would not help much? like Gotham is just too corrupt, whenever programs are set up to invest in the public, they're mostly just stolen from.
Wayne is a philanthropist who gives a ton of money back through his own programs, right? presumably better overseen than the government ones.
I don't know how much money of Wayne's is actually used for philanthropy, but he can't just give the city all his wealth because it's too corrupt for it to be used well, right?
whenever programs are set up to invest in the public, they’re mostly just stolen from.
I'm reminded of the time Walgreens reported they were raising prices and closing stores because of rampant crime, but later admitted they made it the fuck up.
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In the Batman Year 1 comic the thing that makes the police believe there really is a 'Bat-Man' is when he attacks a fancy dinner party and warns Gotham's movers and shakers that justice is coming for them, too.
Yeah, it's pretty clear Gotham was full of corruption from top to bottom, which pushed him into becoming Batman. Philanthropy would just fuel the corrupt politicians into funneling money to the crime bosses, and taking a cut. Probably if he started a soup kitchen and was on the ground getting people out of poverty, he would achieve improvement, but when the police, courts, and politicians are on the crime bosses payrolls, funding those institutions more will not solve Gotham's problems
I vaguely remember some stories, he does do the whole non-profit thing, too. It's still a little bit too pro-billionaire but yeah, in their setting it's quite likely the government is too corrupt.
Also he fucking funds other superheroes, so it's a little hard to say what actually works in that crazy universe. I can't imagine superheroing to be profitable.
In some of the Silver Age comics, Superman has a vast fortune from old Spanish treasure ships he can find deep undersea. Yet no one ever calls Supes on being a skinflint.
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Here is a short list of shit going on in Gotham at any given time, not including the wide array of psychopaths and supervillains doing shit at any given time:
- The insane asylum with the portal to hell (Depending on if you consider Living Hell canon or not.)
- The Lazarus pit in the city spewing chemicals into the water supply.
- All the other chemicals likely in the water supply from a wide array of sources, including regular pollution and goofy shit.
- The remnants of the evil warlock who was sealed under the city for centuries.
- The massive mafia presence and general corruption.
- The Illuminati that uses zombie soldiers.
That is not shit proper taxation is going to resolve. You can't protected bike lane away the zombie controlling Illuminati.
- The Lazarus pit in the city spewing chemicals into the water supply.
- All the other chemicals likely in the water supply from a wide array of sources, including regular pollution and goofy shit.
Fixing contaminants to the water supply is absolutely something proper taxes should be able to solve.
I mean two of those are pretty clearly regulation issues. Maybe if the city's Regulatory Agencies weren't so strapped for cash they'd be more able to address pollution and water safety issues. Also you can always build a new Asylum elsewhere but apparently they don't have the funds for that I guess? It's amazing have Bruce Wayne doesn't use his philanthropy to build one, almost like he likes them being crazy so he has someone to beat up.
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It only works when that money goes to the right place. With all the corruption in Gotham, that money probably goes straight into the politicians bank accounts.
In Batman's defence, he doesn't decide the tax policies and I'm pretty sure he is already an avid philanthropist and political donator for anti-poverty policy.
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What bugs me is this is a controversial opinion about Batman. That there's still objection to the notion that Batman is fulfilling his own violent jollies in the color of seeking justice, rather than using his massive fortunes to serve good.
I think my most controversial Batman opinion is that his code vs. killing is bunk. Even if he just punches goons, he does so enough that goons would die often enough to give Batman a substantial body count. I'm sure his press crew and legal team are occupied continuously with the task of cleaning up his messes.
In fact, there's not enough dramatic crime (like bank heists, contrast domestic violence or check-cashing fraud, which not even regular police care much about) to support a superhero career¹
Curiously, Batman could make a career going after elite deviance / white collar crime, going after the Sacklers for pushing opioids and starting the current opioid crisis, going after companies that lobby governments to deregulate so they can pollute or push false products (e.g. cars as opposed to public transit); Or the DeVos family who use MLMs and PMCs to make their millions; Or the private equity companies like Bain Capital and Blackrock who get rich by creating massive bankruptcy sinkholes leveraging the brand reputations of aging companies and foreclosing commodities for their own personal gain. If Wayne wanted to go after the very sorts of things he, his company and his parents did / do to amass their fortunes, he could prevent a lot of cost, destruction and loss of life by orders of magnitude more than all the petty crime put together.
Funny DC doesn't want to do that, though. Maybe Detective Comics is just state and law enforcement propaganda and they like it that way.
- ( ¹ ) Batman is not just a mountain of a man and master martial artist, but also has the academic capacity of several doctorates, assuming he -- and not a secret task force of backup investigators -- does all his detective-work and implements all his backup plans. Personally, I like the idea of Batman as a sophisticated justice and detective agency.
It's a controversial opinion because it's ill-informed. Bruce Wayne does give the majority of his money to charity. Even Superman, the goodest person on earth, looks up to him. But no amount of funding food banks or building low-income housing is going to uncurse the cursed land that Gotham is built on
Yeah I recall half the issue being that Gotham is so corrupt, any money is going to be wasted, which is why the Wayne family has to have its own charities to accomplish anythign at all.
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Lol .... but a fancy custom made billion dollar armored car, motorcycle, jet boat and jet aircraft is more sexy and looks more powerful.
Unfortunately Bruce is really poor. Everything he uses day-to-day belongs to a foundation on the Caymans, whose owners are not known. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Cannot tax that guy.
still love him
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