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Apple does give a shit about privacy… in the same way that companies care about gay pride. Right now privacy is still a selling point for Apple compared to other companies. This is why they are still so loud about on device AI and pretty much silent when any of their features require cloud processing. But am under no illusions that will remain the case forever.

As far as “dumb phones” are concerned; they don’t exist anymore. It’s still a device with an OS, GPS (as required by the law that created the Amber Alert here in the US), and an Internet connection, that makes calls using VoLTE or similar. Most of the ones you can buy today run things like KaiOS which has an App Store and comes with Google Maps preinstalled.

If you want real privacy you need to disconnect from the Internet which pretty much means no phones at all now that everything is VoIP.

I hate the term sideloading. It's a made-up propaganda word to make it seem scary or wrong to install software on your device. All in the name of corporate profits.

Honestly haven't heard that one. I've only heard "I used android for freedom. If android is becoming a shitty apple, I'll just use the better apple"

There is no word called sideloding it's called installing software

That'd be like saying "I totally trust Google with all of my so-called offline documents by using their totally online suite. They totally wouldn't like, be analyzing the contents once I am online or anything, would they?"

Yeah, you can go with a Linux phone but forget about:

• controlling any IOT device
• using any smart watch/sport trakcer
• Android Auto or any remote car features
• mobile banking
• authenticating at work
• buying public transport tickets from your phone
• using apps for boarding pass when flying
• charging your car at most public chargers
• using any type of digital ID or documents

If you're already a luddite that's awesome, you're free to move to Linux phones. If you like modern tech and the convenience it gave us it will be really fucking sad to lose all of it because or corporate greed.

Yeah I find it hilarious that anyone thinks apple cares about privacy. They clearly have been cultivating that image but it rings pretty hollow to me. They just chose something that would be easy to say they care about that an ad company clearly also doesn't care about.

Does anyone remember r/hailcorporate and its brief moment of fame before the popular subs banned mention of it and its own mods started running a crypto scam?

Google: app developers use the zygote loading system to create an everpresent preloaded bedroom on your device with access to whatever they want in sensor hardware access and monitoring. It is essentially like a full equivalent computer user in parallel. This is how it just works while the (exploited-mark) human user is ignorant about operating systems, networking, and security. They have full equivalent access because you do not understand the details. Again these are full equivalent users. They are likely intimately preset with you more than any other partner... If they are there for stalkerware digital slavery, to sell your digital person for exploitation and manipulation, such a transaction is much like prostitution. The motivations of developers that are not whoring people out are mostly benevolent, altruistic, or taking a stand to support liberal democratic freedom. So in essence google is a digital slaver running a loose coalition of independent developer pimps that collectively enslave your digital person for manipulation and exploitation.

Apple: is a central fascist neo feudal lord that centralizes the exploitation and slavery under a single market forum where they directly manipulate and extort every developer and slave. Apple is the stalkerware data salver selling the exact same data to manipulate and extort users just like google.

The difference has been an open market free for all of privateer piracy raiding the coast of Africa to fuel the Southern plantations and flying the Jolly Roger of google, versus the matrix growing humans in a vast vat field with the Jolly Roger of Apple on the side of the buildings. To call one different than the other in terms of privacy is a joke as sour as US politics represents a balanced spectrum of interests. It is all stalkerware data slavery ownership of a part of an individual's physical person for exploitation and manipulation. Open Source software is the last bastion fortress of real citizens in a democracy fighting off zombie pirates flying a Jolly Roger. This is a choice between Apple vanishing people and Google abducting them from the fortress.

ROMs are the red pill, a revolver, and a place to stay for fightimg for freedom from the 21st century digital slavery phase of neo fascism, and its coming total war 3.

Idk what I'm gonna do if the F-Store stops working.

I'm so glad someone else is seeing this.

Watching people say "I'll just use an iphone because android is too locked down" really reinforces my opinion of the average person.

First of all: writing this from my iPhone. I’ve been on various android phones, including flashed to Sailfish and alternative ROMs, and I kinda hate being on an iPhone now. But - it works.

Look at the incentives of Google and Apple. Google sells ads. That’s it. Any operation at Google other than that is just a small side hustle. Apple sells hardware and 30% commission on apps/media. Apple’s incentives to fuck over the privacy of individuals is far smaller than Google’s incentives. That’s it.

Let’s go through the list:

• Android vendors (Samsung et. al): Zero incentive to not sell you out. Also, no recurring revenue throughout device lifetime (except selling your data), so zero incentives to provide more than absolutely minimal software support after sale.
• Open Source ROMs: All the incentive, but zero funding or business model. Continually fighting against Google. Thus, not really an option for ”normal” people. I won’t hand my mother a flashed phone, and she won’t be able to flash one on her own.
• Sailfish: Had incentives and a business model. When I used it, the developers could barely keep the web browser patched. Tell me that’s good for privacy.
• Apple: Has incentives to patch and update older phones (recurring revenues from AppStore and iCloud), and doesn’t really sell any ads themselves.

Apple are anti-consumer assholes with a clear objective of creating lock-in under the guise of ”privacy” and ”security”, and they really want to force people into buying more hardware. Agreed. But they are the only major phone vendor that doesn’t have incentives to actively screw you over.

Is a flashed ROM ”better” for ”privacy”? Probably. Should you get your mother an iPhone? Yes.

The fact that there are only two operating systems and both are locked down is a major problem. Unless a company like Valve invests heavily in a linux phone it is unlikely to ever go mainstream enough for developer or device support.

We need governments and legislators to force these systems open. To enshrine the right to control the things you own and criminalize any attempt to curb people’s ownership or control. That is the first step. Once that’s in place, the environment for a third option to exist will be in place.

It's really funny seeing people who defend capitalism trying to avoid capitalism problems with individual actions instead of organizing themselves and fighting for the interest of their own class

I hear Linux phones are close for daily driver stuff. Gonna try one when I am ready for a phone.

Pretty disappointed in my 2 year old pixel, regardless of Googles continued enshitification

I’d LOVE to know how many of the comments here were made on an iPhone.

The last panel could also say “muh iPhone! I was never allowed to sideload anyway!” [I say this as an iPhone user]

Comparatively they are better. Its a duopoly in terms of mobile OSs and one is made by a company who mines data and sells ads as its core. The other sells hardware and subscriptions.

I use linux and I wish for a full featured marketable linux phone someday that can compete but with privacy they absolutely beat google.

I have never owned an iphone amd I am currently debating on getting a pixel to move to gOS.

you can make your point without ableism, you know

also, has anyone (at least here on lemmy) said "well at least apple cares about privacy!!"? the most ive seen is "apple is less atrocious with privacy than google", which is demonstrably true (tho if you care about maximum privacy, using an iphone is obviously not a good idea)

It’s less that Apple cares about privacy, and more that it’s easier for them to control within a walled garden. If you control all of the levers, the rest naturally falls into place. That doesn’t mean it’s better; it’s just different.

Um…who actually thinks #3? Apple tells you they sell your stuff and makes app devs tell you. They still sell it, mine it, tailor it for ads, all the same stuff as Google…but just not as pervasive.

How are devs supposed to test their apps on devices before they publish?