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[–] Glide@lemmy.ca 93 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah, but why is this in shitpost, though.

[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 13 hours ago (3 children)
[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 31 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

I often post there, but this isn't a 'meme'.
Here's the recreation:

Right?

[–] Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

LOL. I totally didn't realize I commented on your meme, before commenting on your shit post. HUGS. So, yeah, looks like you already got all the bases covered.

[–] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 12 hours ago

I was looping the same way.
cheers,

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Shit Reality, Shit Post

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 83 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

Missed a detail: any criticism of the scumbag is now considered "celebration" or "justification". We hated him before he died, but now we cannot say that. Because of the Fuhrer at all.

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[–] LoafedBurrito@lemmy.world 61 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago) (4 children)

Nope, if you talk to anyone on the right currently, everything the administration is doing right now is fine and they have broken no laws.

"Oh the democrats have done much worse." When i ask them what things democrats have done that are close to what republicans do, they always bring up forcing kids to become trans or giving them hormones in school.

People really are that out of touch with reality.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 32 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

They are fascists.

Period.

They fit the definition.

They are fascists.

They might be stupid fascists that don't even know it, but that doesn't change that they're fascists.

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[–] safesyrup@feddit.org 56 points 12 hours ago (28 children)

Do we know about the political views of the suspect? I know he supports guns but that does not make you automatically right wing

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 31 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

This is one of the biggest problems with our current state of polarization: we’re quick to box people into a binary; either “red” or “blue,” “left” or “right.”

Real people rarely fit neatly into those categories. When you take the time to actually map out someone’s beliefs, experiences, and values, what you find almost never looks like a solid block of one color. Instead, it’s more like a mosaic: someone might lean conservative on economic issues, progressive on social ones, independent when it comes to foreign policy, and undecided on others.

Reducing all of that complexity down to a single partisan label is not only misleading, it also fuels division. It makes it harder to have real conversations, because instead of engaging with the full person (their reasoning, contradictions, and growth), we engage with a caricature. Recognizing that most people carry a mix of beliefs forces us to slow down, listen, and resist the urge to collapse identities into overly simple categories.

The challenge is that this feels counterintuitive, especially for people who haven’t examined why they hold the views they do. It’s easier, and often more comforting, to inherit an identity or adopt a team than it is to wrestle with contradictions and gray areas. But when we refuse that deeper work, we not only misunderstand others, we also misunderstand ourselves.

In other words, the messiness is the point. People are complicated, and when we acknowledge that, we create more space for dialogue, empathy, and genuine understanding; the very things that binary polarization squeezes out.

Edit:

If you’re interested in seeing how this plays out in practice, the New York Times put together a quiz a few years back that illustrates the point really well:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/08/opinion/republicans-democrats-parties.html

[–] MnemonicBump@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 11 hours ago

Is there a way to interact with this quiz that doesn't involve me giving the NYT a dollar?

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[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 22 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

From what I've heard, he was from a right wing family but there are conflicting reports on whether he himself was right wing

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 9 points 11 hours ago

Probably a libertarian. Non party affiliated has been growing as people arent into fascist Republicans vs fiscal conservative policy and they dont want to be a Democrat in those states.

I know we have this, you are one party of the other thing but i think the "others" is gonna get bigger as a group and already has.

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[–] commiunism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (4 children)

From what I've pieced together, it's a guy from a MAGA family that was recently radicalized, possibly in college towards left-wingism (possibly via exposure and humanization of trans room mate?). There's not that much evidence to suggest he was a far-righter himself (the groyper claims are literally just "yeah the engravings are a dogwhistle trust me bro" but many libs here are buying it), and now it's just turning into a war of push from both sides being like "no it's not OUR guy it's YOUR guy!".

In other words, it's impossible to tell for certain due to how deliberately muddied the waters are by everyone.

[–] 5C5C5C@programming.dev 26 points 11 hours ago

There's equal evidence for the groyper claim as there is for the trans roommate claim, which is to say nothing but hearsay being pushed out by the Governor of Utah.

[–] MattTheProgrammer@lemmy.world 19 points 11 hours ago

MAGA was screaming that it was a radical leftist without ANY evidence... They are just looking for an excuse to justify using force against political opponents

[–] AndiHutch@lemmy.zip 16 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

He went to UVU one semester and then left and went to trade school as an electrical apprentice. I highly doubt he got radicalized at college in Utah. He was already radicalized by his parents and family in the MAGA / Mormon spheres. It takes longer than a semester to deconstruct cult level beliefs like that. There is very little to any evidence that his roommate is trans. It is all hearsay picked up from places like 4-chan then spread to right-wing rags then spread to right wing politicans. A big loooong game of telephone. It isn't even clear he lived there at the time of the shooting. The Daily Mail said he lives with his family in a $600,000 six-bedroom home.

The reason the trans - fan fic is getting spread by right-wingers is that the federal authorities are using it to get jurisdiction from the state since that could make it classify as a hate crime. Even if the roommate is trans that doesn't mean they aren't a right-wing trans person. Trans people can have shitty views just like any other group of people.

It doesn't help that the FBI and news outlets are releasing different info to different news audiences to muddy the waters. Just the meta-data of this being the 3rd trans related storyline being pushed does not inspire confidence in it's veracity. The first TRN one was debunked and retracted, but then they claim the engravings point to trans- ideology when that isn't really apparent. Then they come up with another one. Sorry, not buying right-wingers making shit up to blame it on trans people.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Hold on... A hate crime? Jesus fucking Christ. Being a fascist asshole is 100% a choice. And their entire existence is a fucking hate crime.

[–] bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 9 hours ago

The Trump regime doesn't want a local jury of Mormon peers, they want to execute him federally and have control of the trial so that inconvenient information doesn't come out.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

If this kid had been "radicalized towards left-wingism" in any way, the media would be all over it and we wouldn't be hearing the end of it.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 44 points 9 hours ago (4 children)

Anyone that's read about the lead-up to WW2 or, well, any historical instance of fascism gaining political control over a country knows that they're going to keep pushing. They're going to keep targeting the left. They're going to ram through executive orders to oppress the left. They're going to get the SC to make decisions against the left. They're going to label nebulous entities like ANTIFA (when's the last time you saw an ANTIFA gathering) as terrorist organizations. They're going to end up openly calling for genocide. It's going to happen.

So I implore everyone to arm themselves and form networks with likeminded people. You do not want to start doing this after it's too late. If you need motivation, start reading up on 1930s Germany (the similarities are undeniable) and follow up with a list of WW2 atrocities. There's definitely a WIKI page for it.

[–] Krono@lemmy.today 19 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

The number of similarities between modern America and 1930s Germany is shocking.

I believe the assassination of Kirk is highly analogous to the killing of Horst Wessel. Both Wessel and Kirk were far right nationalists who were killed and subsequently hailed as martyrs by their fascist movements.

Hitler brought up Wessel in all of his early speeches. The Nazis wrote songs and bullt statues of Wessel. And today we can already hear the songs about Kirk. Congressmen are passing around a bill to erect a statue of Kirk in the Capitol.

If we continue to follow this timeline closely, we are about 2 years away from our own Reichstag fire moment.

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 43 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Cut the 'deep down they know' bullshit. They have no principles and sincerely believe that it is their opposition, or perceived opposition, that are responsible for all things that go wrong no matter what. No matter how many people Trump fucks over or have their lives completely ruined by him, they will just blame the democrats or transgender people or homosexuals or whoever else. They genuinely cannot see what Trump and his asskissers are doing and the results it is having.

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[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 24 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

All that a German needs to know about this incident is two words:

Reichstag Fire

(EU pls send help 🥺👉👈)

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[–] 58008@lemmy.world 23 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

He should not have been shot. The shooter was, like virtually all such people, a narcissistic main character sociopath who only cared about his own fame and notoriety, and was likely spending too much time in the damp and mushroomy corners of the internet instead of developing an actual personality in the real world. He's less an anti-fascist soldier and more a Travis Bickle wannabe wanker.

But Charlie Kirk was a humongous piece of shit and I am glad he's dead. One fewer humongous pieces of shit to have to listen to. I would never advocate the murder of a man like him, and like I said, I think the shooter was a colossal cunt who unleashed way more danger and harm to marginalised groups than Kirk was capable of provoking on his own. But thank fuck he's gone. Silver linings n'all that 🤷‍

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

I’m glad he’s gone but this is just what the right needs to go full force Nazi as we have rightly known since it occurred.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 13 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

First of all, there is no Republican Party any longer, they are as dead as the Whigs. They should only be referred to in an historical or scholarly context.

They are the MAGA Party now. They have nothing in common with the traditional platform of the Republican Party - smaller government, lower taxes, economic/fiscal responsibility, family values, religious values, etc. MAGA embraces none of those foundational tenets, instead supporting and encouraging treason, racism, corruption, violence, genocide, pedophilia, misogyny, incompetence, ignorance, intolerance, and more.

The Dems should hold a press conference, and unilaterally, but officially, declare the death of the Republican Party, and then never refer to them again, always calling them the MAGA Party. The MAGAs are proud of being Republicans, and they will go out of their minds over this.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 9 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

the traditional platform of the Republican Party - smaller government, lower taxes, economic/fiscal responsibility, family values, religious values, etc.

TBF, the GOP didn't hold many of those values either. They wanted to increase government control over people, lower taxes only for the rich and therefore increase the national debt, values only counted if they were christian and straight, etc. The main differences with MAGA is they say the quiet part out loud and they're more comfortable with nazis, fascists, and kings than the GOP ostensibly was.

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[–] MyBrainHurts@lemmy.ca 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

I can't speak to the shooter's motivations (though meme forensics seems pretty silly) but the "at a Right wing state with a Right wing governor" etc bits seem pretty dumb.

It'd be like saying the guy who went after Pelosi was clearly a Leftie because it was in a Leftie state, with a Left song governor, in a Left wing city against a Left wing politician. Pretty nonsense points and make us look dumb.

[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 32 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

It's sort of relevant because when crazy stuff happens in a Democratic state, the right points fingers and they imply that chaos is happening because of governance.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

Kind of feels like the right invents their own truth and constantly does mental gymnastics. Now we are doing it? The media talked about goypher for a day and everybody jumped on it.

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[–] Nightlight17776@lemmy.ca 8 points 12 hours ago

The gun he used was non binary

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

So many of these Charlie Kirk AI generated TikTok videos popping up everywhere have to shoehorn some amount of "We hate Greta Thunberg" into them. I'm beginning to suspect these people aren't actually sad that Kirk is dead. They're sad that Greta Thunberg is doing something infinitely more dangerous and more inspiring, yet she managed to outlive him.

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