I deadass got a cloudflare error after reopening this post:
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the people on selfhost would be very upset if they could read this.
Don't forget your SSL certificate to prevent man-in-the-middle attacks. 🤪
Don't forget to have the SSL certificate supplied and managed by Cloudflare, of course 🤫
mTLS would solve your entire man in the middle problems.
cloudflare ddos protection is cetralization?
About 20% of global traffic is routed through Cloudflare so unfortunately Cloudflare is very much a massive case of centralization.
A Cloudflare outage would affect a huge number of websites and services and they have some degree of control over the way you host your and use their services.
Yeah, did people forget the last big Cloudflare outage already? A good chunk of all big services went down simultaneously. Discord, Amazon, Twitter and even the PS and Xbox consoles networks lmao.
Isn't it pretty easy to just disable cloudflare?
Yes, use a competitor at least.
Though I'm not a big fan of centralization, I use cloudflare. Their DDoS protection is unmatched, they have scraping protection, and just in case they decide to screw their users over, switching to another service is trivial.
I don’t know what cloud flare is and at this point im afraid to ask
Basically they work as a bouncer in front of your website and stop all the undesirables getting in. I.e. AI scrapers. Also if somebody decides they want to try and hack you or otherwise cause problems the bouncer beats them up and you never have to hear about it.
If you use a VPN the bouncer is very suspicious of you and you have to jump through all sorts of hoops to get in, which is why some people don't like websites using it. Unfortunately there isn't really a solution since there are a lot of illegitimate uses for having a VPN connection as well, so you have to be suspicious of them.
You use it as reverse proxy, to not expose your hosting servers (e.g. websites, Lemmy instances or what not) directly to the Internet. The idea is that they take care of a lot of security concerns for you, which can otherwise be very demanding if you are self hosting
I can stop drinking whenever I want.
If switching is trivial, why not do it now?
Their DDoS protection is unmatched
Is it? Try switching and see how often you are DDoSed.
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I mean I don't really have a choice because i don't see a better way to put my home server on a url because I live in a dorm and can't port forward or get a static ip
If you don't have a static IP, how did you get a domain?
That's what they're saying. They're dependent on cloudflare who offer a DNS service that routes traffic to one of their static ips, down a tunnel initiated by the server without an IP address.
I'd like to know how to create a tunnel; do you have the docs? I need to host my home server and noip isn't working for me.
This is what I use: https://github.com/fosrl/pangolin
Creates a wireguard connection from your home server to a vps, which then exposes it to the public using a traefik reverse proxy.
Mole vpn
I unfortunately use cloudflare. They apparently charge the same price they pay for domain names.
What better options do we have? I really want to know.
Yeah well if it weren't for all of the LLM bots and scrapers in general and of course all the Russian and Chinese hackers (they may mostly be script kitties, but they're still annoying), we wouldn't need cloud flare. But they do exist so we don't really have a choice.
I use Cloudflare Turnstile because hosting without it is just begging for bots to join my service.