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They wanted the mouse to have a name like "Microsoft® Wireless Notebook Presenter Mouse 8000" but they accidentally used the wrong encoding and the name was invalid. Because they already made thousands of devices without properly testing them, the "obvious" solution was to patch the Bluetooth stack on every single computer in the world to fix this issue. It's the only Bluetooth device released in computer history that requires this.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 108 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Leave it to Microsoft to give a mouse a five-word brand name.

[–] kautau@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Probably had a whiteboard and every executive in the room had to go up and add a word lol

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 9 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

*First guy goes up, writes Microsoft®*

"Fuck I was going to write that. Hope nobody writes mou.. FUCK"

[–] dodos@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

I can't wait for the new copilot mouse to come out!

[–] RaccoonBall@lemmy.ca 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I'm hoping for a 5 button trackball named "Microsoft 365"

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

There was 7999 before it as well

[–] Brkdncr@lemmy.world 61 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lots of drivers are doing things like this I bet. It’s much easier to fix software than hardware.

[–] jqubed@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago

I remember when one of the Guitar Hero games was first released for Xbox, they soon had a big problem where lots of guitar peripherals were behaving strangely. I think in the end the whammy bar wasn’t always going to what the sensor read as 100 or 0 or something like that because of weak springs or poor physical fit with the plastic, and in the end the fix was basically to adjust how the values were read in software.

[–] twinnie@feddit.uk 28 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I’ve got a lot of time for Microsoft hardware. I remember around 2000 when if you wanted a mouse or keyboard you basically had to buy whatever abomination Logitech was flogging at the time. Then Microsoft came along and started making stuff that was actually a little sexy.

[–] uranibaba@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

microsoft sidewinder x4 was a great keyboard. Too bad they stopped making them.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 20 hours ago

I still have my X6, with the modular numpad you could stick to either side.

Although nowadays I only use it for my test bench at home. That thing was truly ahead of its time.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was Synaptics that introduced competition to Logitech.

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

My kid just had an issue with his Logitech wireless mouse right clicking with both buttons!

I looked in settings and then I used the mouse on Linux and windows and got the same effect. It turns out Logitech mice use piece of shit button switches.

But no problem I fixed the problem in like 5 minutes once I knew what the problem was. I gave my kid a wired mouse temporarily. Then I went to Amazon and searched for wireless mice. No more Logitech for me thanks.

[–] sploosh@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I've been using the same Logitech 502 mouse for around 7 years now, with a lot of hours of FPS games. It wasn't cheap, could this be a case where the inexpensive thing becomes more expensive in the long run?

[–] Wispy2891@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

They use shit switches but their wireless chipset is the best. The battery life is years instead of weeks and it's always responsive like if it was wired. My HP Bluetooth mouse depletes its battery 20x faster than my Logitech Bluetooth mouse and most importantly when it goes in the sleep mode (around after 15 mins) it needs a click to wake up + it takes a couple seconds to reconnect. Infuriating.

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That's the problem. A mouse is currently not a user serviceable item. Remember the days of the rubber ball mice?

They wanted a mouse subscription system? Well they got it and I'm out. Their 1 year mouse stinks.

[–] TheOakTree@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 hours ago

It took me 20-30 minutes to open up my G502 and install new switches. Of course, you probably want to have some soldering experience to do this, but if it's already unusable... why not try? (assuming you know someone who owns a soldering iron)

I bought an Incott G24 recently, which is a Chinese clone of a Zowie EC2. The software is shit (I set it up once and never used it again) but it has hotswappable switches for M1/M2 which is something I'd love to see in mainstream mice, but they would lose money for it, so it'll never happen.

[–] rimu@piefed.social 7 points 1 day ago

Like this https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOhVKW_UUAATi4K.jpg:large

Best keyboard I ever had. Well, top 3.

[–] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 5 points 1 day ago

I had a Microsoft mousr in the 90's (9 pin serial, ball), that frankly was better than any other mouse at the time.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 1 points 1 day ago

I think I read somewhere that they were one of the top Linux contributors back then because of all the device drivers they supplied.

[–] SuperSpruce@lemmy.zip 17 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Out of all major operating systems, somehow Windows handles Bluetooth the absolute worst. From my experience:

Android: 99.9% reliability

iOS: 99.9% reliability but a pain to toggle

MacOS: Not really sure but probably near iOS/Android

Ubuntu: 97% reliability

Random Linux distro: 20% reliability

Windows: 5% reliability. Yes, that's really my success rate at connecting Bluetooth headphones to Windows 11.

It's atrocious that Microsoft focuses more on ads in the OS rather than fixing their Bluetooth.

[–] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I bet that same workaround is probably implemented in Linux as well.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Linux would probably handle it gracefully.

[–] Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 18 points 1 day ago

Wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't check the UTF-8 validity at all and just lets the apps get broken UTF-8 where most of the time nothing horrible happens. That or they just strip invalid characters.