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I haven't been to one of their stores before.

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[โ€“] rbn@sopuli.xyz 41 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

One aspect I like about Ikea is that they brought some level of standardization and continuity to furniture. I can get used Ikea stuff from several sellers and easily combine it. For a lot of stuff that's decades old, I can still get new accessories, spare parts etc.

And there's a big community around Ikea stuff to creatively repurpose and adjust their products (often referred to as Ikea Hacks), almost giving it a feeling of open source to me.

It's still a huge capitalist company with all of the typical downsides, but I think with only lots of small, local players ressource consumption might be even worse overall without having the advantages above.

So overall, I tend to like Ikea while still trying to avoid unnecessary overconsumption.

[โ€“] Cherry@piefed.social 7 points 6 days ago

Well written. I agree the adaptability, abilility to maintain and way alternate pieces string together make picking up send hand pieces viableโ€ฆit helps under consumption.

I do like ikea but the amount of plastic and tat it produces does leave me shunning it in the last 10 years.

[โ€“] dynamoMaus@feddit.org 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There are still some local carpenters that do really good stuff for a lifetime

[โ€“] rbn@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Absolutely. And I'm definitely not promoting to buy from Ikea rather than local carpenters. I'm just saying that both have their pros and cons, even if we ignore the price.

I'm pretty sure that resource consumption is more efficient if you build at a larger scale.

Furthermore, I'd say that most people's requirements change over time: Families grow, families shrink, rooms are repuposed, people move to another city etc. Not in all these cases, you can buy for a lifetime. And that's what I meant with the standardization aspect. If I own a simple Ikea shelf (like Ivar), I can easily convert the shape, size etc. years after the initial purchase by just buying/exchanging a few parts. And the leftover parts are quite easy to sell or give away as there are many people out there using exactly the same system.

[โ€“] reddig33@lemmy.world 19 points 6 days ago

Lots of stuff made out of plastic and made in China. Be sure to check the โ€œmade inโ€ label if youโ€™re wanting to buy European.

[โ€“] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

IKEA is both a good and bad company.

They have done a fair amount for sustainability, they have mastered good, visual instructions (despite what people may say about IKEA assembly, they have some of the clearest instructions in the world), they try hard to move in a sustainable direction.

Of course, they are a megacorporation now, they are deforesting Romania through sheer demand (though I think they are re-seeding, but there are monoculture problems there). They ushered in an era of shit, composite industrial wood chip production such that now, for things like kitchens and bathrooms, even if you pay 200% more than IKEA for your kitchen or bathroom by a better quality supplier, it is still made of the same wood composite material, just with a better finish and tighter tolerances.

It is impossible to get new, actual wood cupboards, wardrobes, drawers, etc... in much of Europe anymore because of the trend they popularized. Of course, you can go to boutique carpenters if you have literally unlimited money to pay โ‚ฌ50k-โ‚ฌ80k for a kitchen in actual wood, but otherwise you have to have the tools and expertise to do it yourself.

All that being said, they have talented design and engineering teams that have simplified fasteners and flatpacking to be so economical and usable. Their wood vaneers are thicker than traditional vaneer and are quite decent quality compared to earlier finishes. They make very good systems, actually think through space-constrained design and make living in the middle class, especially on the low end, not feel as if you are living in poverty. Not to mention that their design standardizations and storage systems have been wildly successful in the open source 3D printing community.

Personally, I think they are a net negative on the industry, but a net positive on peoples' lives which not that many corpos can say, and haven't been found supporting fascist politics monetarily, so that is already a huge step up from most corporations. I give them tentative support.

[โ€“] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Well said! It's a corpo but it's giving us so much.

[โ€“] Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[โ€“] maam@feddit.uk 5 points 6 days ago

Shonky is great ๐Ÿฆˆ

[โ€“] blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

They are a gigantic company. They aren't known to support evil causes besides capitalism. Ikea has quality furniture, but you have to pay for that. The cheap stuff is โ€ฆ okay, if you really need cheap furniture right now and don't plan to move with it. They have some really great household goods. The vegan hot dogs and kรถttbullar (not the vegetable ones, the fake meat stuff) are amazing.

[โ€“] petrescatraian@libranet.de 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

@blackris they do/did support illegal logging in Romania though.

Edit: yes, they still do!!! fmm IKEA!
@Sunshine

Thx, didn't know.

[โ€“] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

Blahaj is good. But I prefer to make my own furniture out of solid hardwood.

[โ€“] byzxor@beehaw.org 8 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I remember about ~10-15 years ago there were big issues with them acquiring massive amounts of central european forests. Trying to find recent stuff of that ilk and they seem significantly better (as far as I can get with english written articles and searches).

Like any massive retailer that is known for selling cheap things: check for local stores and second-hand first (if you can and feel comfortable doing so).

I'd be lying if i didn't say the meatballs aren't godly though.

[โ€“] wiegell@feddit.dk 3 points 5 days ago

Our danish national news had a documentary about similar problems recently: (article in danish): https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/viden/klima/ikea-elsker-trae-i-deres-reklamer-men-eksperter-kalder-deres-skovdrift

[โ€“] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The furniture typically disappoints with its quality. The rest is mostly fine.

[โ€“] Nighed@feddit.uk 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It's a range. IKEA somehow sells stuff to both students furnishing their first house, all the way up to well off retirees fitting out their holiday home.

You can get some piss cheap chipboard stuff, or you can get solid oak, or anything in between. You get what you pay for.

[โ€“] Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz 2 points 5 days ago

Well, you either get something cheap that manages to still not be worth its price tag. Or, you can buy something that is of good quality, but sold in other shops with yet a little better quality for a little lower price. And also, not made of rainforest wood.

One of the few good-ish companies.

[โ€“] Visstix@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don't mind their products or the self assembling stuff. But every time I go to the store it feels like I am being manipulated and forced to walk past products instead of just going directly to the thing I need.

[โ€“] Scheisser@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You can just skip to the warehouse part and not go through the display section. They have shortcuts near the entrance.

[โ€“] Visstix@lemmy.world 0 points 6 days ago

Yeah but the whole warehouse part is the same.

[โ€“] Sunshine@piefed.ca 1 points 5 days ago

Costco does this too with the shifting of their merchandise around the store.

[โ€“] Evotech@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

At least you can get replacement parts for basically anything you buy

You can return anything too, even without packaging, and they won't even question it

[โ€“] kepix@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

still waiting for the ceo to comment about using stolen romanian wood

[โ€“] alzymologist@sopuli.xyz 3 points 6 days ago

They are perfect for people in bad situations who just moved unexpectedly. I gave a ride there to so many newcomers in the city (and shopped there myself long time ago in similar situations). Also setting up a new office is great there. So it's kind of almost social support thing.

In less metropolian areas, mutual help and used stuff rotation beats IKEA 10/10. We should strive to the world where community does this more, but big cities are no solarpunk yet.

[โ€“] DecentM@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 days ago

I might be on the minority with this but I enjoy the labyrinth-like interior. When you learn the unmarked shortcuts (the floor maps don't show everything) you can get to things very quickly.

A couple of years ago I asked a staff member about an item and she took me through these areas behind columns, etc. You would guess those areas are off limits but there's no sign saying "staff only" there, so after a few visits I just kinda learned how to reach the areas I most often need right from the entrance.

[โ€“] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 2 points 6 days ago

Never visited one either, solely because of their set up. You can't just pop in.

Kallax is great!