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[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 199 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

Read the full transcript. There is so much more that is being overlooked besides the "war plans" that were leaked.

  • Joe Kent: "I will send you the unclass data we pulled on BAM shipping" This indicates that Kent knew that this conversation was classified and that at least some people in the chat were not privy to at least some level of classified information.

  • JD Vance: "I think messaging is going to be tough no matter what – nobody knows who the Houthis are – which is why we would need to stay focused on: 1) Biden failed & 2) Iran funded.". He's basically acknowledging what they're doing is complete bullshit, but it won't matter as long as they blame Biden for it.

  • JD Vance: "1) this leaks, and we look indecisive;". I don't even know what to say here.

  • Michael Waltz: "Per the president’s request we are working with DOD and State to determine how to compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans.". In other words "We're bombing Yemen, and Europe's gonna pay for it."

  • JD Vance: "I just hate bailing Europe out again.". I think this is a highly under-reported line in this whole debacle. It shows that the US position on Europe isn't just some political theater to appease Trump, but shows that the US (or at least, this administration's) disdain for Europe is very, very real. This is the geopolitical equivalent of finding out your best friend tells everybody that you're nothing but a freeloading loser when you're not around. Even if it stays quiet, this line will not go unnoticed, and will have a huge impact on US/EU relations going forward.

IMPORTANT EDIT: As I expected, these comments did not go unnoticed. European leaders are already rethinking their relationships with the US in response to not only this entire scandal, but also the specific comments made by JD Vance since it gives evidence of the true feelings of the Trump administration.

  • JD Vance: "And if there are things we can do upfront to minimize risk to Saudi oil facilities we should do it.". Good to know where his priorities are. Gotta protect that Saudi oil. Innocent civillians? Fuck 'em. They're not nearly as important as that sweet, sweet black gold.

  • Pete Hegseth: "VP: I fully share your loathing of European free-loading. It’s PATHETIC.". See above. This is going to have a huge damping effect on our relations with our European allies going forward, as it reinforces the fact that US disdain for Europe is real and not just political theater for cameras.

So in other words, they're bombing Yemen because Europeans are freeloaders, and if anybody asks why we're even doing this just blame Biden.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 61 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Then whinging about messaging is hilarious to me. It's not like they have ever been good at it it's just their portion of the electorate has been eating lead paint and accepts basically anything.

[–] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They were basically saying as much in the chat. A couple of times. If anyone asks any questions, just blame Biden because they know their base will accept it.

[–] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 37 points 6 days ago (16 children)

European here: we did not ask for your help, we do not particularly want you to bomb the houthis (or anyone in the Middle East for that matter).

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[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 167 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

I’m watching the hearing now. Democrats are ROASTING them and calling for their resignations, while Republicans are asking them about China and Mexico and praising their first months in position. It’s disgusting.

The NSA explicitly advised them all against the use of Signal back in February, citing recent breaches of the platform by Russian hackers. Two of them were in Moscow at the time the strikes were communicated, one being Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence.

Edit: The lottery assigned Judge Boasberg to their trial. It’s a good day.

[–] credo@lemmy.world 50 points 6 days ago (4 children)

There is obviously an easy fix for this. Get rid of the NSA, CISA, and other cybersecurity people.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 18 points 6 days ago

It worked to lower covid! Can't get record numbers of people dying from covid when you aren't tracking!

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[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 36 points 6 days ago (3 children)

one being Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence

...and Kremlin mouthpiece and asset

Good times, good times.

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[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 34 points 6 days ago (3 children)

We need more than resignations. We need actual punishments. Can't have them just resign and go on to be a private consultant or talking head.

[–] tacobellhop@midwest.social 14 points 6 days ago

Or go on to store documents in a bathroom between Russian ambassador visits

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[–] Hadriscus@lemm.ee 24 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm not familiar with Boasberg, but a quick DDGing tells me he's been blocking deportations. Someone with integrity ? Can you tell me more ?

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 34 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

Yes. He’s the judge that Trump and congressional Republicans have repeatedly threatened with impeachment for obstructing the Executive Branch. Impeachment of a federal judge requires a 2/3 vote in the Senate, and Senate Democrats have already stated that they will not vote in favor.

He has issued injunctions on the Alien Enemies Act deportations, and is the one demanding detailed flight logs and passenger lists for the flights to El Salvador. They very much dislike him for doing his job correctly.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

Fascism is fucking gross.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Roasting isn't enough, unless we're talking about doing it over an open flame.

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[–] 9tr6gyp3@lemmy.world 113 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Signal itself is not vulnerable. This article needs to correct itself. Signal is only vulnerable if the DEVICE THAT USES IT is compromised. Using devices that can be compromised is the issue here. Do not use that device to discuss anything confidential if you are in the government.

This is not Signal's fault at all.

[–] newthrowaway20@lemmy.world 78 points 6 days ago (3 children)

There is no doubt in my mind that their phones are compromised.

[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 77 points 6 days ago (3 children)

They’re refusing to use government issued devices. They’re all using personals. This was an issue last time around, too. There’s a whole fucking division of the government (that I’m sure they’re hollowing out now) whose job it is to make sure people who need secure devices have them and use them.

[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago

That’s nuts. I couldn’t even imagine putting anything gov or company secret into a personal device. Hell at work I even watch what I type into google

[–] barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 21 points 6 days ago (3 children)

When Hillary Clinton used a private email server like her Republican predecessors, it was such an enormous breech of security that it launched numerous investigations (all by Republicans, and none concluding that any crimes occurred, or damage was done), and we are still hearing them whine about it to this day. Yet these dopes use off-the-shelf iPhones for communication, exposing our most precious secrets, and none of them think it's an issue.

The only reason we know about this was because they reached a spectacular new level of incompetence, and literally invited a reporter to join them. How many times have they done this before, and how many times will they keep doing it? Discussing classified operations over unsecure phones, that is, not inviting reporters to join in. That will never happen again.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Her predecessors didn't do that. They were literally using Hotmail and Gmail. Making their performative outrage even more absurd.

Clinton's server wasn't strictly to the standards of regulation and laws. But it wasn't a fucking public email server hosting your grandmother's Viagra spam.

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Makes me fucking sick that they get away with this shit, particularly after Hillary Clinton.

Fucking sickening.

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[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 20 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They are compromised, it doesn’t even matter if the software on their phones is too.

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[–] pleasegoaway@lemm.ee 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

But a presidential administration is required to keep classified records, and records of all meetings in general.

It may take decades of FOIA requests, but those records are SUPPOSED TO BE KEPT, not deleted forever after 7 days.

This regime using Signal is a major red flag and a permanent information black hole.

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[–] madeinthebackseat@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Tulsi only gave her device to Russian intelligence to install exclusive games not available in the US.

I don't see the issue here. Gabbard is known to be trustworthy. Let her play the cool games.

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[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 108 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Vance responded a minute later: “Excellent.” Thirty-five minutes after that, Ratcliffe, the CIA director, wrote, “A good start,” which Waltz followed with a text containing a fist emoji, an American-flag emoji, and a fire emoji.

You cannot make this shit up

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 68 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

They're like a bunch of frat boys trying to outdo each other in their edgy hot take. They're creating their own tiny echo chamber where it is cool to hate on other Western countries and admire Russia.

[–] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 46 points 6 days ago (2 children)
[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)
[–] don@lemm.ee 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

FUCK YEAH!

COMIN' AGAIN TO SAVE THE MOTHERFUCKIN' DAY, YEAH!

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[–] Supernova1051@sh.itjust.works 68 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Signal is a publicly available app that provides encrypted communications, but it can be hacked.

This is misleading statement that will only confuse people who want to use a secure messenger.

To clear things up with anyone who's not technically inclined: Anything can be theoretically hacked. Signal has not been hacked and has no history of being compromised.

The Signal "hacks" that linked people's Signal client to devices that aren't theirs were sophisticated phishing/spoofing attacks. The equivalent of getting someone to click a malicious link via email because it looked like the real thing.

A reminder that you still need to do your due diligence even when using a secure service. Technology alone cannot completely protect you.

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[–] Skydancer@pawb.social 44 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is an article about an article. The original Atlantic article that contains the messages themselves is here

[–] Doolbs@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (2 children)

The Government that hires by merit. :\

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[–] nxn@biglemmowski.win 17 points 6 days ago (3 children)

I will say a prayer for perjury convictions 🙏

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[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)
[–] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

At 11:44 a.m. eastern time, Hegseth posted in the chat, in all caps, “TEAM UPDATE:”

The text beneath this began, “TIME NOW (1144et): Weather is FAVORABLE. Just CONFIRMED w/CENTCOM we are a GO for mission launch.” Centcom, or Central Command, is the military’s combatant command for the Middle East. The Hegseth text continues:

  • •“1215et: F-18s LAUNCH (1st strike package)”
  • •“1345: ‘Trigger Based’ F-18 1st Strike Window Starts (Target Terrorist is @ his Known Location so SHOULD BE ON TIME – also, Strike Drones Launch (MQ-9s)”

Let us pause here for a moment to underscore a point. This Signal message shows that the U.S. secretary of defense texted a group that included a phone number unknown to him—Goldberg’s cellphone—at 11:44 a.m. This was 31 minutes before the first U.S. warplanes launched, and two hours and one minute before the beginning of a period in which a primary target, the Houthi “Target Terrorist,” was expected to be killed by these American aircraft. If this text had been received by someone hostile to American interests—or someone merely indiscreet, and with access to social media—the Houthis would have had time to prepare for what was meant to be a surprise attack on their strongholds. The consequences for American pilots could have been catastrophic.

The Hegseth text then continued:

  • •“1410: More F-18s LAUNCH (2nd strike package)”
  • •“1415: Strike Drones on Target (THIS IS WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP, pending earlier ‘Trigger Based’ targets)”
  • •“1536 F-18 2nd Strike Starts – also, first sea-based Tomahawks launched.”
  • •“MORE TO FOLLOW (per timeline)”
  • •“We are currently clean on OPSEC”—that is, operational security.
  • •“Godspeed to our Warriors.”
[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago (1 children)

We are currently clean on OPSEC

holy shit, the IRONY!

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 13 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Can't the US government host it's own encrypted chatroom or something

[–] thehowlingnorth@lemmy.ca 18 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No way! Private companies are always better than government ones! /s

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[–] xnx@slrpnk.net 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This is basically that already. The issue is using phones at all for communicating such sensitive information because phones can be hacked and a hacked phone leaks everything regardless of what app you use

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