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The more I hear people talk about it who aren't cis-het men, the more I hear criticism about the concept. But so far, I've only heard people say that it's stupid, that it's not a thing, that it's men's own fault etc. But I've yet to understand where that criticism comes from. I don't want to start a discussion on whether or not it's real or not. I just want to understand where the critics are coming from.

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[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

I don't understand how it's just "male loneliness epidemic" in the first place. It's illogical.

That said, when I started to be more open to the girl I liked, she ghosted me, and it seems that she doesn't even want talk to me anymore. It would be much easier if I got some feedback what I did wrong, but I guess it's just men who need to be more open and communicative, not women.

[–] chilicheeselies@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

You didnt do anything wrong if you were being yourself. I know it sounds corny but just being the best version of you is the best thing you can do, and if someone ghosts you like that they did you a favor. You dont want to be with someine like that; you just eant to be with the idea of the person you thought they were.

Still a bummer, but dont let a jerk define who you are.

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

I think part of it also depends on were you live. Just as a personal experience I live in a very rural part of northern Nevada, I’m born a raised here. The population is about 4k and honestly I would say 90% of the population are hardcore conservatives. Even as a kid I knew that I didn’t fit in with anyone else. I would usually just keep to myself all throughout school and even now as a 42 year old man I barely speak to anyone. It is lonely but the alternative is a no go for me especially now with politics being such a big part of peoples identity.

"It's stupid, it's not a thing, it's men's own fault"

So as someone who recently learned my gender identity is demiguy, I can say it is and isn't a thing.

Masculinity as a whole is a toxic concept in my book. A man is stoic. A man is strong, capable, and will put up or shut up. A man is attractive if he looks strong, acts strong, drives strong trucks, enjoys strength based sports, is emotionally strong, and essentially a lifelong warrior. A man can do anything he needs to by himself. A man can change if he needs to. A man has rough hands. A man dresses prepared. A man does not have too much emotional intimacy. A man is vulnerable only to the extent that he doesn't appear weak.

All of those statements apply to the criticisms. It is stupid. Men aren't socializing with hardly anyone. It's hard to when you have to do the mentioned statements. It is a thing. Men do not have friends to call and shoot the shit with. Men are annoying when we text too much. Sharing real feelings is weakness. It is men's own fault. It's the nature of the characteristics of manliness.

The unfortunate side effect is that Incels have coopted it to defend their misogyny, and women who all have significant reason to be angry at this see it as terribly offensive.

To me? Yeah. I'm lonely. But it's mostly because I didn't understand who I was, and I didn't have groups to fit in with. I like wearing tailored suits, but I love having soft hands. I like lighter clothing, cuddling, playing silly games with children, lavender and vanilla scented candles and candle lit baths.

But men can't share any of that with each other even if they identify as men. Women are the only link to "softness" they experience. This leads to a compounding problem. Men need to accept that they will be alone unless they can connect on something OTHER than STRENGTH.

[–] WaffleWarrior@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Being a man is tricky. Full grown males can be physically dangerous and I think there is a subtle undercurrent of worry with all men they may be dealing with a hostile moron, or a worry someone may try to assert dominance. Men are organically closed off past a certain age because of this.

Men also experience allot of these weird power dynamics growing up. Both men and women kind of seek to control and bully youger boys and men until they come into their own.....and suddenly they are grown and terrifying if some respects and everyone magically backs the f*** off

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ok now that I know my terms I am apparently a cis-het man and don't feel this and don't know anyone who does so its a bit hard to know how or why it may be happening. I am older though so is this possibly more prevalent in an age group? Although also im an introvert so don't need all that much people interaction to not feel lonely.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 1 day ago

Its deff a thing in Millennial age groups too but it is really about 20s something age group.

It is notale specific. It is symptom of poor socio economic co conditions and infrastructure designed for suburban trash lifestyle

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