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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 94 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Hey Farva, what's the name of that design philosophy you like that's got all that goofy shit and no respect for established norms?

[–] Empricorn@feddit.nl 73 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Oh, you mean "move fast and break things"?

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 33 points 3 weeks ago

I live by "Move things and breakfast."

[–] eclipse@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

A litre of cola.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 63 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It’s fine to do that if you’re pre-customer and you’re just dabbling with a new idea. Once you are ready to go public though you need to be stable and secure. The big problem is when people try to apply the same development philosophy between established software and pre-alpha software.

[–] BleatingZombie@lemmy.world 22 points 3 weeks ago

I agree. It heavily depends on the "things" you're breaking

If it's prod, that's bad

If it's your "fuck-around" branch, go for it

[–] joyjoy@lemmy.zip 55 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The boss wanted me to find savings, so I started unplugging servers.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Isn't that what Elon did when he bought Twitter? Just randomly started unplugging shit?

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yes, all those microservices.

And then shit started breaking.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 43 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Move fast, break things.

Move slow, break things.

Don't move at all, break things.

Maybe I'm just bad at CSS

[–] Fuck_u_spez_@sh.itjust.works 16 points 3 weeks ago

Move things, breakfast.

And now I'm hungry.

[–] NotSteve_@piefed.ca 43 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

My company says it wants to move fast and break things but they really just want you to move fast and get mad when things break 🫠

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 30 points 3 weeks ago

"Everybody knows you can have it done well, fast, or cheap. Pick two."

"No! All three! All the time! Zero drawbacks! All profits and benefits! I am a very good and visionary boss. Have some room temperature Little Caesar's on the house and make me rich."

[–] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 3 weeks ago

Break things... Just not the things that affect me!

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago

tbf, the breakage isn't supposed to be internal, but external. Old worn in structures, bureaucratic overhead, etc

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[–] dotslashme@infosec.pub 35 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

At work we have the following quote on the fridge

"A ceramics teacher announced on opening day that he was dividing the class into two groups. All those on the left side of the studio, he said, would be graded solely on the quantity of work they produced, all those on the right solely on its quality. His procedure was simple: on the final day of class he would bring in his bathroom scales and weigh the work of the “quantity” group: fifty pound of pots rated an “A”, forty pounds a “B”, and so on. Those being graded on “quality”, however, needed to produce only one pot — albeit a perfect one — to get an “A”. Well, came grading time and a curious fact emerged: the works of highest quality were all produced by the group being graded for quantity. It seems that while the “quantity” group was busily churning out piles of work – and learning from their mistakes — the “quality” group had sat theorizing about perfection, and in the end had little more to show for their efforts than grandiose theories and a pile of dead clay."

We are a software development company and my reply to this was basically that pot making hasn't changed in a long time, it's basically shaping and firing clay. Software development is comparatively new and has a vastly more dynamic landscape.

Also, the comparison is stupid because we don't write code, realize it was shit and write a new one. If we did business like that, we wouldn't be in business.

[–] How_do_I_computah@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

That's a really terrible anecdote. Real life quantity group would find ways to do less and less for the same reward. You would end up with fifty pounds of clay with a fist shape indention. Call it a pot and be done.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, I highly doubt it happened.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago

That quote sounds like an excuse for mass production worship a la brave new world, lol.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Also, the comparison is stupid because we don’t write code, realize it was shit and write a new one.

I mean, you shouldn't, but it sounds like the quote-poster is asking for exactly that kind of boondoggle of a project.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 8 points 3 weeks ago

...and then add a sticky note below it:

"And then Einstein and Obama and Jobs were there and everybody clapped they were so shocked!"

[–] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

It seems like such a little story that it would probably have an origin. It doesn't seem like the ceramics class, the people who created the story mentioned, ever existed. When asked, they said it was actually a photography class (from the professor Jerry Uelsman). I'd also argue that while that may hold true for learning skills (if it does) it doesn't necessarily hold true for performing skills. Also I'd say the main reason it could work, is that it got them to actually do something.

[–] yogsototh@programming.dev 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

From my experience of boss looking at people working. Working hard is by a huge margin a lot better than working smart. Trust me I know my shit. Once I even wrote a formula in Excel! /s

That being said with experience you stop using anecdotes, easy pre-made sentences like "premature abstraction/optimisation is the root of all evil!" and you understand that there are no generic solutions and you need, every time, to think hard about the best way to produce something relatively to the context and constraints which, most of them, aren’t technical but organizational and human related.

And also, if you intend to work on a project more than 6 months. Quality is really worth it. The lack of quality works like accumulating mud. After a while, you are stuck, and the next step will require a huge amount of energy.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Why can't you be a team player? /s

Also, if you break the spirits of upper management, does that count?

[–] gravediggersbiscuit@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Ah yes a quote about beginners rapidly gaining beginner gains by practicing really does apply to a group of professionals trying to do their job in a business /s

It's shocking the amount of morons people trying to do their job have to deal with nowadays. I'm sorry you have a colleague with the critical thinking ability of a punch drunk.

[–] dotslashme@infosec.pub 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, not for long, I'm quitting this company as soon as I can.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 2 points 3 weeks ago

Give the same assignment to professionals and you will get a bunch of cheap pots from the quantity group, and a single perfect pot from the quality group that is so much better than all the others together.

[–] lowspeedchase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Sorry bruce, these boys get a little crazy when they get that -CoPilot/Claude/Cursor- in them...

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Fun fact: some of those syrup bottles were filled with iced tea. Some. Not all.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 28 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Controversial opinion: I think software moving fast isn’t a good thing.

The more versions come out and the more focus there is on new features, the more half baked/abandoned the existing features become and there will be more vulnerabilities.

[–] bier@feddit.nl 16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I probably shouldn't even be using youtube in the first place, but 5 min ago I found out youtube is now forcing videos with an AI translated voice. While at the same time not having an option to change the audio track or disable the feature.

This feels like a good example of pushing features most people don't want while not providing a normal way to disable it.

Thank God I use revanced and can spoof the client as IOS TV, this gives you the option do disable that crap.

Firefox (even mobile) has this addon "YT Anti Translate"

It's pretty bad you have to go this far just to watch a video with the actual voice it was released with...

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I changed the language back to the original and never had an interaction with the ai voice again

Do you not have the original audio track on the sound settings?

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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 21 points 3 weeks ago

move things, breakfast

Ah, sorry. Stupid race conditions.

[–] doopen@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago

It's the corporate equivalent of "live, laugh, love"

[–] monotremata@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 weeks ago
[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 weeks ago

Move fast, break society, and then buy entire governments while still being a dick.

[–] itsprobablyfine@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

These assholes are bringing this mentality to the infrastructure industry now. As little as it worked in software development I promise you it works even less in large scale construction. That's why infrastructure engineers are required to be licensed, we tried this bs 200 years ago and shit literally went off the rails

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

Move intentionally and fix things.

[–] kamen@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I call bullshit. If you're competent enough, the process of breaking things might actually let you learn stuff. And if you have a controlled environment, breaking things shouldn't be an issue.

[–] fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

You wrote like someone who doesn't treat in prod. How nice that must be.

I'll break all the shit if the board of investors are the ones paying for it.

[–] Honytawk@feddit.nl 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

If we break things, we can't move at all.

We need functioning things in order to move.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

I always respond with "Do you want to know if something broke? Then slow down and write tests"

[–] jaark@infosec.pub 6 points 3 weeks ago

I much prefer "Move slowly and fix things" (I so wish I had thought of that myself but can't remember where I saw it).

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