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I have just watched this video and in it 2 things are said that made my Linux newbie heart sink:

  • Debian 13 is not going to get the latest versions of Nvidia drivers and there are better distros for us.
  • Debian in general is not meant to run on the latest hardware.

I am on a regularly upgraded desktop tower gaming PC and currently I have an Nvidia card and an Intel CPU (which, I know, even just because of the mobo chipset is not a great choice).

In this conditions and wanting to invest even more in gaming and new hardware in the future, what should I run on, instead of LMDE 6?

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[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 36 points 1 week ago (12 children)

If gaming is your main goal. Bazzite or similar should likely be your first target. If you want a more desktop experience. I'd probably recommended vanilla mint. LMDE and Debian are great. But LMDE is a side project, that gets a bit less support and updates. And Debian is about stability over cutting edge anything.

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[–] krimson@lemmy.world 26 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Debian is awesome. For servers. For desktop I would use something else that pushes updates more frequently.

My personal opinion ofcourse, use what you like!

[–] felbane@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I have to agree, rolling release distributions are the greatest recent development in desktop linux because they make the surface area for updates small (fewer packages more frequently, so if something breaks you have fewer places to look). Immutable distros make reverting a bad update foolproof.

I ran bazzite for a while but then my work changed their VPN endpoints to use oauth, which didn't work on the openvpn2 version available. I switched back to Fedora (which updates pretty frequently, just not constantly) so I could install and use openvpn3. I'm sure I could have figured out a way to get it running by patching it into ostree, but that felt a bit like breaking the rules.

Debian is the underpinning for all of my homelab gear.

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Yours is the first comment in this thread that didn't make me want to simultaneously upvote and downvote.

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[–] who@feddit.org 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Debian in general is not meant to run on the latest hardware.

When I see someone on social media claiming Debian is unsuitable for gaming, I know immediately that they don't know what they're talking about. I've been gaming on different distros since before Steam ran on Linux at all, and on Debian Stable for nearly a decade. This includes my current system, which was built a few months after the GPU was released.

In general, Debian can run just fine on new (Linux-compatible) hardware. If you're talking about Debian Stable and hardware that was released less than a year ago, then you might have to pull in a newer kernel and/or firmware, but it's not hard. In most cases, it's as simple as enabling Debian's Backports repository and installing the couple of new packages that you need. (You might not even have to do that, since Flatpak and Steam provide updates to much of what games need, but it would be wise to remember Backports anyway just in case you need them some day.)

The main thing to consider is that it's not completely effortless. It will probably require a little more setup than a game-focused distro would, so if you're considering Debian for a gaming system, you should know why you want it. For example, maybe you want a very low-maintenance system once it's up and running. Or maybe Debian's focus on Free software appeals to you. In such cases, a few extra steps when getting started might be worthwhile. But if you don't have a specific need that Debian fills, then another distro might be more convenient.

Debian 13 is not going to get the latest versions of Nvidia drivers and there are better distros for us.

I don't know if that's true or not. Nvidia has a well-deserved reputation for making their hardware painful on Linux, and although the situation is less bad today than it once was, it's still not great. If you're determined to stick with them, then sure, a distro that does the extra work of packaging all of Nvidia's driver releases might be a better choice for you.

(For what it's worth, I finally ditched Nvidia in favor of AMD GPUs, and have been very happy with the results.)

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[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 17 points 1 week ago

I haven't watched the video. I've used Debian as my operating system of choice for over 25 years.

Debian is intended to be Free, it goes to great lengths to achieve this. Many of the popular distributions are based on it as a result.

It has the option to use non-free components like firmware blobs and weird vendor encumbered video drivers.

In addition, Debian runs on a large collection of different hardware platforms and as such is supported across more devices than many other alternatives.

If you run bleeding edge hardware, you have the option of running bleeding edge software within the Debian framework. It comes in flavours: stable, testing and unstable specifically to cater to different requirements.

Pick what you need depending on your use case.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Debian does not get the latest versions of anything. It is designed for, above all, stability, which means changes to the stable branch are greatly delayed while testing is completed.

[–] lazynooblet@lazysoci.al 11 points 1 week ago

You can always choose not to use the stable branch.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Debian is like that. Mature. The point releases are thoroughly tested for reliability, but the cost is that they can't include bleeding edge software in the middle of the release cycle. The "stable" branch (currently Trixie) is always lagging behind, and the "testing" branch (Forky, next in line to become "stable") will be frozen long before it is released.

You might want to try a rolling release distro. Arch Linux or something based on it (EndeavourOS, Garuda, CachyOS), or Debian Sid (the unstable branch).

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[–] fraksken@infosec.pub 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd recommend Fedora if you want stable and modern hardware support.

[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Isn't Bazzite based on Fedora?

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It is, and it's amazing for gaming

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

Honestly I think the utility beyond gaming is totally undersold:

  • automatic background updates ( system and flatpaks)
  • ujust singular commands for common tasks
  • All of what really should be mandatory software out of the box, including some huge QoL extensions
  • Bazaar package manager

It really fixes a lot of Linux's shortcomings, in my opinion.

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[–] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I run Debian because I don't like sudden changes. I have a 10-year-old computer that can still run games that are a few years old on low or sometimes medium settings because I have an RX 580. Debian is great for that.

If you just built your PC and want the latest stuff all the time, you can supplement Debian with Flatpaks or 3rd-party repos, but you don't have to; you can just try a different distro.

You might want to try something like OpenSUSE or Bazzite or CachyOS: they're rolling release distros, so you get new stuff all the time. Personally, I'm fine with waiting until LMDE 7.

[–] Eczpurt@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

CachyOS has been working issue free for me so far. Update the system once every few days and no bumps at all.

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[–] that_leaflet@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

For fastest hardware support, you will want a rolling distribution like Arch (requires a do-it-yourself attitude) or OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (complete out of box, but some quirks, like missing codecs requires manual work). Fedora also has decent new hardware support, not rolling so not as good, but same problem as OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. You can also consider derivitives like CachyOS (Arch, but has a nice installer).

Ubuntu and Linux Mint have OK new hardware support. Twice a year they release new "hardware enablement upgrades" to bring new support.

And worst is Debian. They don't do hardware ennoblement upgrades at all. It's something you have to do yourself by using backports. They bring new hardware enablement by default with new releases every 2 years.

[–] cRazi_man@europe.pub 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

+1 for OpenSUSE Tumbleweed.

I had noob problems with so many distros, and Tumbleweed gave me the least problems getting started. Good GUI based control with Discover and YAST. OpenSUSE really doesn't seem to get recommended enough.

I follow the channel OP linked and he's had a similarly positive opinion of Tumbleweed (2 years ago).

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Debian stable is not the same as Debian testing or Debian unstable.

You want to run bleeding edge hardware, you'll need to run bleeding edge software, which you'll find in Debian unstable.

[–] imecth@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Debian unstable and Debian testing aren't meant for daily use, I'm not sure why you're even bringing them up.

[–] vk6flab@lemmy.radio 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] imecth@fedia.io 2 points 1 week ago

https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable

Debian Unstable (also known by its codename "Sid") is not a release, but rather the development version of the Debian distribution containing the latest packages that have been introduced into Debian. It is not a "rolling release", as no release-like quality assurance and integration testing is done on it.

You need some amount of testing because packages do break, the 2 week testing window on arch is really important in making sure your pc can at least boot.

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I've found CachyOS to be a good fit for me, sounds like I'm in a similar position to you.

[–] owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Same here! It's Arch-like in having the latest updates, but I've found it to be a lot easier and forgiving than "vanilla" Arch. Been running it for a while now and it's been a great fit.

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 6 points 1 week ago

Maybe just regular Linux Mint then, which follows Ubuntu release schedule.

[–] Laavu@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Regardsless what distro you end up with, do your research before bying new hardware. Any hardware, such as keyboard, usb bluetooth adapter or gaming audio headset might be unsupported or supported poorly, and require out-of-kernel drivers, firmware or propietary vendor software, that work only with some kernel versions or certain distros. There often are options that have great linux support and work with any distro, but you'll need to find them.

Pick your prefered update interval between LTS, 6 month point release or rolling based on how much time you have for administration. If you need you PC also for work, a rolling distro might break just when you need it the most. After choosing the update interval, pick the distro with chosen update interval you like the most. Say you know and like Debian but need a rolling distro, then Debian unstable might be a good choice for you. You can also run multiple distros and dual-boot.

Special purpose distros such as gaming distros can be a good choice, but they often have less developer resources and tend to die then the few developers lose their interest.

Regardless of your choice of distro, spend some time to configure regular backups.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

a rolling distro might break just when you need it the most

Only if you run an update! It's not random. I only update once every two weeks or so when I know I have time to fix problems if they arise. Easy peesy. Honestly it's safer than Windows in that sense because Windows pushes updates on you and a broken Windows update did out me in a boot loop, post COVID even.

It's not a bad piece of advice, rolling is still the least stable, but there are better ways to phrase it.

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If you want something stable but up-to-date, Fedora is a very good option. Plus it has a bunch of "Spins". The two main ones are Gnome and KDE Plasma, but there is a bunch more, and they're all officially supported.

Then there's also Arch. Arch should not be considered stable, but anecdotally I've not heard many problems with it in the past few years, so you'd probably be fine. I'd go with EndeavourOS or CatchyOS if you want Arch without the tedious setup process.

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[–] thelittleblackbird@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Try any suse favours, it will surprise you.

I am on the rolling distro (tumbleweed) and it is surprisingly stable, the only time it broke was because of a new Nvidia driver release. But it came with a rollback feature and 2 daya later everything was fixed.

Honestly, just because you can not use debian shouldn't be any major problem in a modern pc

[–] kalpol@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You should clarify that the roll back takes two seconds and the two days was the wait to upgrade again :D I do love Tumbleweed.

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[–] underscores@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Debian is what you put on your grandma's Facebook machine

To put it in a less elitist way: you can put it on a family PC for light entertainment or for things like homework for kids

To be perfectly clear: most people use their PC as a glorified Facebook machine.

(it also doesn't have to be Facebook but the concept is the same)

[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Debian is what you put on a system you want to work forever with minimal maintenance. Whether that be your Grandma's computer or my headless server.

[–] lemmyknow@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Isn't Debian the FOSS-only one? Or am I misremembering?

[–] WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

I'm sure one can have their install that way but mine isn't.

[–] Magnum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm gaming perfectly fine on my Debian machine. Only one single time in years I had a problem with some custom tailored script from someone that linked as minimum a dependency that was newer than the version served in apt

[–] bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

This. My main rig runs arch and I do my heavy gaming there, but for travel I have a laptop running Debian, it has no problem running Steam and games via Proton. I've also done some light coding, even a bit of 3D modeling. It's not basic, it's bulletproof.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Debian is a good stable distro but I personally wouldn't recommend it for desktop home users. There are debian derivatives that do use it as a base and offer more up to date packages.

There are also lots of alternatives that are dedicated rolling release or more frequently updated point release distros.

I often recommend Linux Mint as a good first distro. It's got a big user base, so lots of support online, and it's based off Ubuntu which itself is based off Debian, so has a wide range of software already packaged for it. Once you know what you want / like from Linux you could move on or stick with Mint if you like it.

I used to use Mint but I wanted to switch to KDE. You can install KDE with Mint but things are a little janky as the core mint tools are really built for Cinnamon (and GTK). I moved to OpenSuSE Tumbleweed 2+ years ago and like it. I've also used Nobara on another device - it's decent buf have moved away from it after some update issues. Regardless there is a lot of choice out there.

But I'd recommend starting with Mint as a good stable but updatable option. You can use Mint and add in cutting edge Nvidia drivers with relative ease for example.

I would not start with Arch as some others are recommending. It's a good distro but it's an involved manual set up and can require a lot of troubleshooting. I'd recommend picking something that is a simpler install and get used to Linux basics first before venturing into distros like Arch.

[–] dil@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Cachyos, its popular for a reason, the wiki is really helpful, and the goal is to quickly get you setup for gaming with the correct drivers

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[–] riscwarez@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You can use the sgfxi installation script to get up to date drivers. :P

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[–] RedIce25@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

I would recommend Linux Mint for stable general purpose, or Bazzite as I see other people recommend it for more gaming oriented until SteamOS 3.0 comes out for desktop PC's

[–] savvywolf@pawb.social 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you're currently running on LMDE and are enjoying it, why not just switch to the "vanilla" non-debian Mint? It should be similar enough to what you're used to, but with more up to date software.

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I would recommend Nobara, Bazzite or PopOS for gaming; My personal experience with Debian is that it's a great OS, but the focus lies less on cutting edge features or support of the latest hardware, and more on stability over everything else, and the desktop environment is more of an convenience feature - Debian is very happy as a headless server. If you want an OS with record setting uptimes, pick Debian; but for gaming you want to be on the cutting edge, and that's simply not the case with Debian.

[–] kalpol@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Opensuse Tumbleweed. You get the drivers, it's stable, and the one time it isn't you just roll back to the prior snapshot in the boot menu that it takes automatically. Steam runs great on it. Honestly about the best there is.

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

I like endeavoros. I can't say how well it is for gaming, aside from installing steam and playing a few games...

It's pretty simple. Endeavor has their own easy update script.

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