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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 430 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (23 children)

The pathological need to find something to use LLMs for is so bizzare.

It’s like the opposite of classic ML, relatively tiny special purpose models trained for something critical, out of desperation, because it just can’t be done well conventionally.

But this:

AI-enhanced tab groups. Powered by a local AI model, these groups identify related tabs and suggest names for them. There is even a "Suggest more tabs for group" button that users can click to get recommendations.

Take out the word AI.

Enhanced tab groups. Powered by a local algorithm, these groups identify related tabs and suggest names for them. There is even a "Suggest more tabs for group" button that users can click to get recommendations.

If this feature took, say, a gigabyte of RAM and a bunch of CPU, it would be laughed out. But somehow it ships because it has the word AI in it? That makes no sense.

I am a massive local LLM advocate. I like “generative” ML, within reason and ethics. But this is just stupid.

[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 214 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When I'm browsing around with multiple tabs open, the last thing I want is something to start moving them around and messing my flow up. This is a solution looking for a problem.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 38 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Yup

Auto naming functionality is neat in some cases, like the AI chat UI itself

  • It's convenient to have names when toggling between a few recent chats or searching through 10s or 100s of chats later on
  • I spawn new chats often and it's tedious to name them all
  • I don't have a strong preference for what the title is as long as it's clear what the chat was about

Tab groups don't hit those points at all

  • I'll have a handful of tab groups
  • I don't make them often
  • I have a strong preference for what it's called, and the AI will have trouble figuring out exactly what I'm using those sites for
[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 85 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

The pathological need to find something to use LLMs for is so bizzare.

Venture capital dumped so much money into the tech without understanding the full scope of what it was capable of. Now they're so in so deep that they desperately NEED to find something profitable it can do, otherwise they'll lose the farm.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 21 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Firefox has little financial motivation for this, though?

Other than getting "AI" investor money, if that's the plan... But otherwise it just feels like they're following a meme.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 23 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

It makes a lot more sense when you realize that the Mozilla corporation is a for profit run by the same techno-fascist aggrandizing bait-and-switch narcissists as the rest of SV.

I've been saying it for years, but I will never donate to Firefox until it is freed from the shackles of a for profit corporation that can use your donation for any profit motive it sees fit; not even related to Firefox.

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[–] Krudler@lemmy.world 190 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)
browser.ml.chat.enabled   false
[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 71 points 23 hours ago

about:config
in your address bar

[–] woelkchen@lemmy.world 54 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

You only disable the chat. Overall setting seems to be browser.ml.enable.

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[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 113 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (12 children)

Now, several users have taken to the Firefox subreddit to complain about high CPU usage when using the feature, as well as express their disappointment in Mozilla for adding AI to the browser.

I don't think it even downloads the model if you never enable or use it.

[–] ObviouslyNotBanana@piefed.world 94 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I love that people get upset that their CPU is using its resources when they're using it.

[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 24 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Reminds me of how some people get upset when their OS uses up all their RAM, no matter how much they have. It's like they want their PC to be sluggish and unresponsive. Unused RAM is wasted RAM.

[–] Buckshot@programming.dev 26 points 18 hours ago (7 children)

Did a project several years where the customrr required that the server we delivered specifically for the project never use more than 50% CPU or RAM. No requirements about how fast it actually performs its intended function, just that it can only utilise half the available resources while doing it.

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[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 31 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

"I've noticed that my CPU, GPU, and power usage goes up when I run games. Valve needs to fix this ASAP! Steam is literally unusable!"

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[–] 58008@lemmy.world 104 points 12 hours ago (6 children)

Literally no one on this green earth asked for this shit. In fact, we've been pretty direct about how much we don't want it.

It's exhausting.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 39 points 12 hours ago (7 children)

Well, stupid people want it and they do use it when its shoved in their face. Like how samsung updated and BLATANTLY made their peice of shit AI button TAKE OVER THR POWER BUTTON so when you try to turn off your phone little old granny gets confused that an ai agent pops up and starts recording you. Absolutely infuriating and I wish torture on whoever implemented that shit.

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[–] pycorax@sh.itjust.works 77 points 23 hours ago (9 children)

Instead of capitalising on Google pissing off power users with its crusade against adblockers, why the hell is Mozilla fucking up so hard here? Seriously, which chain of command green lit all of this and didn't even think this would be remotely an issue?

[–] not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone 50 points 21 hours ago

it might have been Laura Chambers, who is CEO since early 2024.

It has been less than a week since the new interim CEO took over the reigns from long-time Mozilla CEO Mitchell Baker. Today news broke that Mozilla is changing its product strategy going forward. The organization plans to focus on bringing "trustworthy AI into Firefox" and to scale back some of its other products and services.

Breaking: Mozilla changes strategy, focuses on Firefox and AI

She used to work for McKinsey according to her Wikipedia which explains a lot if you ask me.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 24 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Sadly this is nothing new for Mozilla. It's easier to count the decisions they've made that aren't terrible than the ones that are. Their history is a long series of fuckups occasionally punctuated by a decent decision.

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[–] pheggs@feddit.org 76 points 17 hours ago (18 children)

I wish Mozilla would just debloat the browser, focus on performance and making browsing a good experience. But unfortunately their revenue situation is bad. At this stage, they won't even manage to survive through donations after annoying their main user base.

[–] haloduder@thelemmy.club 23 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Their revenue is fine. They just waste it on unnecessary bullshit.

They're a business, after all. They don't care about their products. They care about doing the least amount of work while making the most amount of money.

It's not about keeping the lights on. It's about living as luxurious a life as possible.

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[–] Mika@sopuli.xyz 69 points 10 hours ago

TBH despite I don't like this specific idea, nor use Firefox directly, I do like the usage of local inference vs sending your data to thirdparty to do AI.

They just needed to do it OPT IN, not OPT OUT.

[–] nectar45@lemmy.zip 69 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Firefox is a good example of "either you die a hero or live long enoigh to see yourself become the villian"

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 87 points 14 hours ago (6 children)

It's also an example of a smaller company trying fight a mega Corp with infinite money, gained via unethical means.

People are shitting on Firefox while ignoring what they are up against.

I have no solution for their funding issue, what are they supposed to do? Charge for the browser or ads? There's literally no other alternative and I don't know what the solution is.

What I do know is that once FF dies and chrome fully owns the web we are well and truly fucked.

Honesty it might already be too late.

[–] scholar@lemmy.world 54 points 13 hours ago

They could stop paying their CEO so much and hire a few more devs, refocus their identity on privacy and performance (their offline ai translation is actually really useful), and actually give people the sense that their donations will be well spent.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 35 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I could not disagree more.

Mozilla has used the most powerful cheat code in history: infinite money for free.

Google cannot let Mozilla go under or they would become an actual monopolist, triggering a lot of laws that would force them to diversifying/selling the browser.

They don't want any of that headache so they're pumping Mozilla full of money, making sure that they can always operate as "the other browser engine".

The issue is that Mozilla's management seems to be completely incapable of doing anything interesting. Instead of ensuring that Firefox is the lightest, most optimised browser on the market while also being packed full of features (or at least full-fledged add-ons, not this crap they have), they do... mostly nothing.

Their last major update was "vertical tabs", something that Chromium-based browsers had for around a decade.

Their previous major update was integrating Pocket...

Meanwhile, PWAs still barely work, add-ons are still dependent on the website being loaded instead of working on the browser level, the whole thing still feels bulky.

Mozilla management needs to be replaced and then we might see some movement on the market.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 14 hours ago (4 children)

You're forgetting the fact that laws are currently only being triggered if said company slanders dear leader.

If Google kisses ass you best believe they would completely allow them to be a monopoly and would ignore any laws being violated

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[–] frongt@lemmy.zip 21 points 14 hours ago (7 children)

How does adding AI help their funding?

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[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 63 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

According to the article, this is mainly for grouping tabs with a suggested name. Talk about backwards. Use AI to process the top websites on the Internet and create groups and/or logic to group them by keywords (cluster analysis), then save the small data structure in Firefox so it can group most websites instantly, using kilobytes of ram in the process; don't try to do this on everyone's device ffs.

Besides the heat and battery problem, this also means that the GUI is going to be non-deterministic, suggesting groups differently day-to-day based on the slight differences of input and the whims of the LLM. Burn it with fire.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 24 points 11 hours ago

Oh, so that's what the fuck it was. I was wondering why my tabs were getting grouped without any logic or reason. Impressive ability to make everything actively worse

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[–] ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 59 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Firefox really does seem to have lost the plot... they don't seem to go five minutes without slamming their dick in another drawer. It starts to look like they're in to it.

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[–] BurgerBaron@piefed.social 57 points 15 hours ago (9 children)

I just want a web browser that's not based in the USA.

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[–] regedit@lemmy.zip 54 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

First thing I did when some hey we added AI... was to right-click and disable it.

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[–] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 53 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Mozilla does it again, adding useless crap.

[–] xiwi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (10 children)

Make a stable, privacy respecting, robust browser with a powerful extension environment? No let's try do do chrome 2

Mozilla could solve all of it's issuesby just removing all of the executives

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[–] nothingcorporate@lemmy.world 44 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Waterfox and/or Librewolf FTW

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 31 points 23 hours ago

I just checked my Librewolf settings:

collapsed inline media

This stuff is ml chat is off by default.

[–] LostXOR@fedia.io 22 points 23 hours ago

Switched to Librewolf yesterday and yep it's exactly like Firefox, but without the bad stuff.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 39 points 12 hours ago

Just make it an official extension ffs...

[–] raldone01@lemmy.world 38 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (17 children)

I just wish one could donate to firefox development specifically. Then they could rid it of all the advertisement and tracking stuff.

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[–] comador@lemmy.world 30 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

At least they offer a fix for it:

Head to about:config in a new tab, accept the risk warning, and use the search bar to find the controls.

To kill the AI chatbot feature, search for browser.ml.chat.enabled and set it to false.

To stop smart tab grouping, search for browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled and set it to false.

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[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 29 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

Come to LibreWolf, the waters fine!

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[–] massivemeatballs@lemmy.world 26 points 12 hours ago

I'll keep using LibreWolf as my main browser while keeping an eye on Ladybird with my fingers crossed.

[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 20 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Awful Idea? Anal Intrusion? Actually Irrelevant?Activating Idiocy? Adding Incompetence?

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