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Nebraska’s Republican Gov. Jim Pillen on Wednesday signed an executive order strictly defining a person’s sex.

The order notably does not use the term “transgender,” although it appears directed at limiting transgender access to certain public spaces. It orders state agencies to define “female” and “male” as a person’s sex assigned at birth.

“It is common sense that men do not belong in women’s only spaces,” Pillen said in a statement. “As Governor, it is my duty to protect our kids and women’s athletics, which means providing single-sex spaces for women’s sports, bathrooms, and changing rooms.”

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[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Just a reminder if you are worried about your children being ogled by trans people in the "wrong" restroom: There are ten gays for every one trans person, so the likelihood of being ogled by people in the "right restroom" should be ten times higher. The solution is not to police who uses what restroom, but to design restrooms that don't allow for ogling!

I swear, the only proof of a grand gay conspiracy I've ever found is the bathtub urinal. Walls, people, real walls, not plywood separators that have gaps between the doors and opening on the bottom.

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 1 points 2 years ago

That, and like, don't flatter yourself (person who is afraid of getting hit on by a hypothetical gay guy in a bathroom). Most people, the vast majority, look like 20 lbs of birdshit.

There's better places to date and get asked out anyways, like a gay bar, or at a fun climbing gym. If you do get asked out (which won't happen), take it as a compliment for not looking like hell and move on. xD

[–] fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

Also don't for a second think that they aren't coming for gay and lesbian people next.

[–] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 1 points 2 years ago

Fucking fascist pieces of shit need to go on a pyre.

[–] Widowmaker_Best_Girl@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

"assigned"? How can it be assigned when it's a natural state of being? That's like saying the kids also get assigned hair color or eye color at birth.

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Because it's not always one or the other. Sex and gender are far more complicated than just X or Y.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Funny thing, both of those can change too. I was blond when I was a kid, now my hair is brown, and when I'm old it'll be gray.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I still don't understand what business the government has defining sex. How is that in any way the government's job?? If anything, it could be up to medical organizations, such as the AMA, if they had sound arguments. But, the government? I really try to at least understand everyone's logic even if I don't agree with them, but this is just so insane. I don't get it.

[–] cmbabul@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That’s because there is no logic, the people that want the government to define sex have a purely emotional reaction to the very existence of trans people… and most things that don’t align with their narrow life experience and worldview

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

There's no logic?

Just because you're ignorant of the difference between sex and gender are doesn't mean there isn't logic...

Sex is very important for the single biggest thing that affects all of our lives, healthcare. Standardizing it literally saves lives.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Again, why is the government involved instead of a letting a leading medical body. Did physicians have a large protest over the lack of a legal definition that is forced outside of medical settings, and the government heard their concerns based on rational logic and ethical medical standards? Does the government define eye color, cancer, gingivitis, premature birth, high IQ, major depressive disorder, and how organizations outside of the medical system can use those terms?

[–] candybrie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Except the healthcare needs of trans gender people who have medically transitioned to any degree are often closer to their gender than their sex assigned at birth. The body chemistry differences between men and women are primarily affected by hormones. Unless you're specifically looking at the organs that are different, you probably need to go by gender.

[–] ayaya@lemdro.id 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not that I agree with what is happening but they are defining it in legal terms, which is absolutely their job. A simple example might be killing someone is just killing someone, and the government defines what is murder and what is manslaughter.

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I understand the point of defining a criminal act, but being a sex isn't criminal. It's being a human.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

ITT: Everyone conflating sex for gender...

It's actually quite important. Your sex are what your chromosomes are, your gender is what you identify as.

Your sex doesn't change, your gender does.

That's literally the definition of it.

This is important especially for medical purposes, medication, surgery, emergency care...etc all has variations based on your sex, because different sexes are predisposed to different classes of problems and interactions. This also applies to REPORTING, reporting that a medication affects someone born female different than someone born male is an extremely important distinction.

Incorrect reporting literally costs lives.

It should to be standardized, just like everything else that has significant consequences on well being.

Politics are ruining what should be completed apolitical.

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's like 8 comments in this topic my straw-chewing friend. You don't need to copy and paste yours again as if trying to get every iota of value out of typing so much pointless tired Facebook wrap-around sunglasses rhetoric.

[–] Tripeptide@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Omg, I love you.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Another victory for Christianity

[–] kromem@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

...there is no longer male and female, for all of you are one...

  • Galatians 3:28

...when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, [...] then you will enter [the kingdom].

  • Gospel of Thomas 22

Victory? Meh, debatable.

[–] Antaeus@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

How is it that the US is moving backwards? I am struggling to understand this...

[–] DarthBueller@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Death throes of a vacuous ideology.

[–] littlewonder@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Can't wait for them to remember that trans men exist. There's going to be a lot of shocked Pikachu Republicans when men who look like men show up in "women's spaces" because they're being forced to.

Wish I could be a fly on the wall to see that fucking awesome scenario.

And trans women are going to get harassed or worse for complying with this law. Fuck all this so much.

Seriously, trans folks, you don't deserve this bullshit and I hate that your existence is the controversy of the moment for Republicans. Be well and take care of yourselves <3.

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

I recall an article about that exact thing happening - a trans man had to use a women's restroom because of the local red policy over his birth cert saying female.

People saw a man enter a woman's restroom, and proceeded to beat the shit out of him.

It's a feature, not a bug.

Don't ever forget that for republicans, cruelty is the goal.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's also gonna suck for any cis women accused of being trans, and subject to invasive "verification"

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 1 points 2 years ago

It's not gonna be fun at all because it will involve trans men being threatened and assaulted.

[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (6 children)

ITT: Everyone conflating sex for gender...

It's actually quite important. Your sex are what your chromosomes are, your gender is what you identify as.

Your sex doesn't change, your gender does.

That's literally the definition of it.

This is important especially for medical purposes, medication, surgery, emergency care...etc all has variations based on your sex, because different sexes are predisposed to different classes of problems and interactions. This also applies to REPORTING, reporting that a medication affects someone born female different than someone born male is an extremely important distinction.

Incorrect reporting literally costs lives.

It should to be standardized, just like everything else that has significant consequences on well being.

Politics are ruining what should be completed apolitical...


And it looks like lemmy is just Reddit again, except at least on Reddit you can find an informed opinion before the bottom of the thread. This thread is completely devoid of critical thinking....

[–] 1609_kilometers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This is important especially for medical purposes, medication, surgery, emergency care... [...] Incorrect reporting literally costs lives.

Surely that was the intention 👀

“It is common sense that men do not belong in women’s only spaces,” Pillen said in a statement. “As Governor, it is my duty to protect our kids and women’s athletics, which means providing single-sex spaces for women’s sports, bathrooms, and changing rooms.”

The Nebraska and Oklahoma orders both include definitions for the words “man,” “boy,” “woman,” “girl,” “father” and “mother.”

Also

And it looks like lemmy is just Reddit again, except at least on Reddit you can find an informed opinion before the bottom of the thread. This thread is completely devoid of critical thinking...

This is a really dismissive way to deal with disagreements (also peak reddit behavior, it's only missing the "edit:")

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Your sex are what your chromosomes are

So we need to genetically test all babies at birth?

Otherwise, I don't know how we would figure out the sex of the ones with Swyer Syndrome- XY but with female genitalia.

And assigning their sex as male at birth doesn't make much sense to me.

[–] Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Umm... I hate to tell you this but this is propagating some pretty harmful misinformation...

The reactions to medications are actually more closely tied to the hormone balance and body fat distribution of a person than their sex. It's a common issue in the trans community where birth certificates are non-updatable that a doctor will prescribe meds for a person's birth sex but because they are fully transitioned through HRT they get the effects more common to their phenotype presentation. This means that treatment is more commonly in line with their gender identity because of their hormonal medication and other procedures like an orchiectomy that make a person more similar to where they transitioned to then where they transitioned from.

With trans paitents by and large the safer way to behave is to go with the "if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and talks like a duck... If you are in a pinch and can't ask them for specifics because they can't talk - treat them like a duck." While a lot of doctors aren't super well versed in trans specific healthcare it remains a huge problem inside the community for trans women particularly being dosed like cis men which often means they respond like cis women to a lot of different things which is on average a little more scary because meds often linger longer than is expected in trans women's tissues just like cis women. Sometimes this causes some cascading problems.

Pharmacology wise the way trans folks react to different medications is still a bit of a frontier science... But dollars to donuts "just treat em like their birth sex and call it a day" is way too simplistic a take. The lived experience and often physical nature of gender do not stay nicely behind a cordon marked "politics". Trans ignorance in healthcare can be very scary for someone whose endocrinologist has informed them what they should be given and treated like and then some hotshot resident could just decide to not listen should the trans person in question be placed in a position where they are in extreme distress and have to self advocate and educate the person caring for them on what may be the worst day of their life.

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Sex is far more complicated than just what is assigned at birth. Especially if you take stuff like hormones into consideration.

Nature doesn't work in discrete categories. Almost everything in nature is fluid and amorphous to some degree. Exceptions to every rule humans can think of.

And if you talk about sex about purely what gametes you have, then that isn't really very useful to talk about in practice outside of reproduction. When laymen talk about sex, they mean perceived sex more than anything else (and to prove the point, the article talks about sexed places and such..). Leave anything else to medical professionals.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago

Yes, and we all know that was the intention behind this order. To protect people from incorrect medical reporting 🙄.

The people you're seemingly mad at never wanted to make this political. Trans people are just people that want to exist. That's it.

[–] Nima@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

you're making nothing but sense, but you're getting a lot of hate for it. we should be able to talk about this stuff by now without having to combat an onslaught of angry commenters that didn't read what you wrote.

It's literally a carbon copy of reddit. the weird outrage just deflates all common sense.