Easy. "Sex" is only P in V. Anything else isn't sex. Probably also the type of people that insist trans men aren't men, etc.
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Uhh, I’m not sure you’re familiar with what sex is, if that’s your definition. After all, your description includes soaking, and those Mormon teens assured me that neither god nor the government would mind.
(psst, I'm explaining why they may have structured the question in the way they did, not explaining what I consider to be sex)
(I know, I’m being intentionally obtuse to further your joke and make fun of Mormons)
(touche)
... What is soaking in this context (or should I avoid asking)?
You live in a world where people are slightly less stupid than they are. Frankly, I’d delete this comment if I were you. Someone will elucidate you shortly, and the world will grow darker.
I'd assume that there's actually more virgins between 18-30 nowadays, though. Loneliness might not be a specifically male epidemic, but it certainly is a societal epidemic in most western countries.
I won't disagree that loneliness is an issue in our society. But I don't think it is the only "problem". Anecdotally for me: I wasn't ready to have sex, a relationship or for dating for a long time. So I'm mostly happy to have taken that time. In previous generations you'd marry and have kids for a while at that point. I think we have a lot more room to grow individually today.
We also have more room to fail individually today. Don't get me wrong, I'm not proposing that we get back to where western societies were in the 50s, but there are definitely downsides to our current societies that need to be dealt with. Lonely people aren't just individual people who are having a bad time, they are IMO a huge threat for societal cohesion. e.g. they're much more likely than non-lonely people to politically radicalize.
And both US parties deliberately intend to radicalize young adults, especially young middle-class white men.
In what direction does the DNC try to radicalize people? Being a "liberal" doesn't strike me as radical.
To the contrary, on a party level the democrats seem to be failing to capture any radical energy at all. They're broadly playing to the center, and alienating progressives in the process, whereas the right is very effectively turning the radicalization pipeline straight into support for the Republicans. Unless you mean to imply the Democrats' goal is to radicalize people away from their own platform.
I work with a horny 24-year-old virgin that's socially awkward and saving it for marriage...
They could have just removed the word "female."
I mean, there aren't enough gay dudes out there to change the numbers much.
There are more bi guys than society recognizes though.
Anecdotally, I'm 54 and have never known a bi man. Yeah, there were deep in the closet last century, but still, I've known loads and loads of gay people. No idea how that works.
I'd assume that a lot of them are trying to stay under the radar, especially in older generations; it's easier for them than for homosexual people, and half of them are probably in heterosexual relationships anyway. AFAIK newer generations like gen Z are much more open about it, but even those might not open up about it to older people.
Ackshually, AFAIK around 5% of the population are homosexual. If that is completely ignored in the graph, the actual number would be closer to 22%. It could possibly be even lower if you consider bisexuals who just not had sex with women. And if you consider that homosexuality is much more accepted these days the numbers are skewed and the percentage could be even higher among younger people.
AFAIK around 5% of the population are homosexual. If that is completely ignored in the graph, the actual number would be closer to 22%.
Assuming homosexual people are all fucking, which seems unlikely - the loneliness epidemic is real (whether it's the often-talked about male loneliness epidemic is another matter), and being homosexual further complicates it, especially for people who are looking for a relationship rather than one night stands.
“Since they turned 18” also seems needlessly specific.
Didn't you know? When you turn 18 your body hits the virginity reset button!
I'm guessing thats to avoid some ethical grey areas. Or theyre specifically gathering data on men after highschool.
I assume they don't want to open a can of worms regarding childhood abuse. Doesn't seem needless
I interpret the results as men between 18 and 29 who've never had sex. I'd answer at least 1 if I had sex at 17.
If they changed the question now they wouldn't have conti uous data going back to 1989 anymore.
People weren't gay until 1989 so that makes sense. Literally not a single one. 😏
But society was a fair bit more socially conservative when discussing homosexuality.
Depends which society. In Iran there are no gay people so there's no conversation to begin. Literally not a single one. 😏
Now I'm thinking of the African guy talking about how gay sex means they "eat the poo poo".
Sure, but like... maybe that data isn't really relevant or trustworthy either if that's how it was phrased?
Pollster: "Have you ever had sex with a woman?"
Closeted sexually active 28 year old gay guy when being gay could get you ostracized or killed: "Oh.... y... yeah! I love the vaginas. So... slippery and... moist (gag)"
Pollster: "NICE!" high five
Does this weird anyone else out? Graduated HS in 1989 and it seemed like we were all fucking, even the nerds. I'm short and scrawny, still tripped and fell into pussy now and again.
There's something really alarming about this, can't put my finger on it. It's certainly weird that today's young people aren't fucking when we were going nuts during the AIDS epidemic, risking our lives for that cookie. Sex is such a basic human need I can't imagine what going without is doing to mental health.
It think that rather than early - really early - exposure to porn turning everyone into sex-fiends, it's actually terrifying a lot of them. What if I don't want to gargle cum like Adriana Chechik? What if I don't have a 10 inch cock to stuff my stepmother with?
A more optimistic reading might be that masturbating is easier, freer, quicker, and more accepted than ever before. Rather than risk an STI, pregnancy or human relationship, just crank one out and get back to work.
Another hypothesis; The dopamine machine smartphone
But it was also something people lied a lot about so the numbers could be shaky. Maybe we should redo it and ask old people when they got laid the first time.
Yeah I learned the math from American Pie. But we got laid more, because we met people in the real world more. Also when dating sites first came out, they were actually built to find you a partner. I got laid so much more from those apps. I hear today those apps main goal is to keep you on the app. (So glad met my wife on OkCuipd before the enshitiction)
I mean I once met woman from Craigslist on personal connections or whatnot. Not even sure that a thing now.
Plus younger people aren't sex crazed like we were. I have three boys. Oldest 21 to youngest 16. Two in relationships. At 16 I was chasing girls like crazy. My 16 year old son could care less. He has other priorities. And my middle son isn't trying to get laid with his trans boyfriend. I mean as a father kinda glad they aren't out knocking up girls and shit. At same time do worry about it. But think it's us not them.
Probably don't help that life harder now and their future looks bleak.
I don't think it's that complicated. In 1989, your average young male hadn't entirely given himself over to fascism. All of this manoshpere shit started right around that 2010-2012 timeframe.
I think the far-right "manosphere" influencers are a good indication at what it does to mental health. Fascism, and extremist groups in general, seem to thrive on men not getting laid. IDK what the cause of this is though; I suppose more digital, less IRL social entertainment. They drink and do less drugs, which could be a reason too (especially drinking).
Edit: This is a self-reported statistic too. It may just be men are more comfortable reporting that their virgins instead of lying.
I don't trip, I'm not clumsy like that 😌
It’s certainly weird that today’s young people aren’t fucking when we were going nuts during the AIDS epidemic
I am certainly not normal enough to represent anyone else here, but while not HIV, I do fear HPV (the sexually-transmitted strains).
My parents did not get me vaccinated against it when it would have been covered by insurance, because... because.
So, some quick overview from my mind which you shouldn't trust as a source of information: Often marketed as something to protect women from cervical cancer, thus being reduced to "the vaccine for girls". That's often the view of public even now that it is also recommended to boys, which wasn't always the case. Even then, the reason often ended up being not spreading HPV onto women. People being stupid -> Either "I have a boy, so it doesn't matter." or "I raised my girl well, she won't need it."
Well anyway, for men, throat cancer, anal cancer and penile cancer sound pretty relevant.
Speaking of penile cancer, yesterday I came across photo of a man who got large cancerous growth on his trunk as a result of HPV, and had to undergone penectomy (i.e. bye dickie), plus the radiation therapy went wrong causing large burns.
All in all, basically a cancer vaccine, only effective if you didn't come into contact with HPV, which most sexually active people do, also why it's typically only given to kids.
So, moving on, Gardasil-9 protects against 9 high-risk strains. Doesn't sound like a bad idea even if you had sex, likely you haven't collected all 9 yet. But certainly best before.
So, 3 doses, 2nd after 2, 3rd after 6 months. I think they take around a month to become effective, so I guess 7 months for total vaccination. Paid by patient, almost 400 EUR for all 3 doses as far as I could find in my country.
So, not like I could get any regardless, but safer sex would cost me 7 months of waiting and almost 400 EUR while I am about to start college and make 4.70 EUR per hour. And it cannot be fully done retroactively later (after activity). It's also good to have saved some money. If my laptop or phone breaks, I need a replacement immediately (and I sure as fuck want another convertible ThinkPad).
Paid by patient, almost 400 EUR for all 3 doses as far as I could find in my country.
Whoa. As an American who got the Gardasil vaccine for free in my 20s, this feels really weird. Paying for preventive medicine sounds like something I'd expect around here. I was in the notoriously-backwards state of Florida and had already been sexually active for several years, yet the vaccine was still covered for me.
OP is saying gay sex being excluded, iiuc. Trend seems extreme since 2008, and it would be nice to see the spikes to 16% or so 3 times between 1989 and 2008. The spikes could be corelated to rising stock market bubbles for all I know. Seems over double the 1989-2008 average that I guesstimate at 12%.
Maybe gay men used to experiemnt with women to "find out"? Maybe harsher economic inequality keeps men home? It's not obviously internet porn, which became available in late 90s, though 20 years later would get a lot of under 30s.
It’s not obviously internet porn
It's social networks and the loss of 3rd (and 1st) places. Everybody knows what the problem is. Everybody has some idea how to fix it (look how to fix car transit). Every person in power is intent on refusing to improve things in any way and making it worse.
"Jane, did you compare the percentage of teenage male Rex Manning fans to the incidence of homosexuality amongst teenage males?"
They're turning the incels gay!