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An interim update from the EHRC, published in May, said that “trans women (biological men) should not be permitted to use the women’s facilities and trans men (biological women) should not be permitted to use the men’s facilities, as this will mean that they are no longer single-sex facilities”.

However, a response from Museums Galleries Scotland (MGS), which supports around 455 non-national museums and is funded by the Scottish Government, said EHRC’s proposals may “force some museums to close”, or “risk leaving trans people with no facilities at all” if changes could not be made.

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[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 126 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Can't they make all toilets unisex? In Sweden a lot of them don't device in male and female. You have your toilet with a sink to wash your hands and a mirror behind a closed door, problem solved.

[–] vividspecter@aussie.zone 76 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They could, but obviously these people would be against that. Because they don't have a rational objection, they're just bigots.

[–] SorryImLate@piefed.social 21 points 2 days ago

I read this the opposite way.

Scottish museums are objecting to an anti-trans judgement from the UK. They are saying that if trans-women can't use the women's bathroom, and trans-men can't use the men's bathroom, then they have to close. They're being allies.

It's based on a recent case where Scotland's highest court stated that a person's gender could change based on a doctor's authority, and this was overturned on appeal by a UK judge.

[–] fahfahfahfah@lemmy.billiam.net 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The bar I used to work at just had a bunch of toilets in full enclosed stalls, a urinal section around the corner from that, and then communal sinks

[–] womjunru@lemmy.cafe 5 points 2 days ago
[–] Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Yea this is a common layout for toilets in bars.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You have to do it right, but yes.

There is a school in the US that converted stalls into actual rooms, which was good. But the way the law was written, the area outside the stalls was considered a prohibited, unisex "changing area' because it was private rather than public. The solution was to make it a public handwashing area. But the way they did it was by cutting a window into the former "changing area" to make it public rather than private.

So it got reported by Republicans as a Democratic attempt to spy on kids in the bathroom. And since it was one of the bathrooms intended to accommodate trans students, it got reported as Republicans trying to spy on trans kids.

Basically, they did everything right, but pissed off everybody in the process.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sounds like they pissed off Republicans. But anything sensible and non-cruel will do that.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

They cut a big hole in the wall of the transgender bathroom.

They pissed off everybody.

[–] Bell@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But that might mean there's only room or plumbing connections for (as an example) two or three toilets when there was a room that allowed 4 or 6 toilets. And now the reduced capacity runs against the rules set out in other building codes. I'm not going for or against just saying, see the problems?

[–] jeena@piefed.jeena.net 1 points 2 days ago

I see the problem that someone planned it wrong and now it needs to be corrected.

But also it's not like it costs an arm and a leg to do it.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Adding these is usually the way to solve it. There wouldn't be enough room to completely convert existing without losing a lot of capacity.

[–] Bunbury@feddit.nl 1 points 1 day ago

That’s clearly not possible, because although unisex toilets have functioned just fine for forever some TERF’s with a lot of money behind them have decided that the moment a man enters a bathroom a woman could also be in the poor damsel’s are in distress and faint due to shock or something.

[–] Godort@lemmy.ca 103 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Gendered bathrooms have always been stupid. Everybody poops, everybody pees, it's good enough to just have a room where everyone can do that.

[–] womjunru@lemmy.cafe 22 points 2 days ago

Bathroom stalls are nasty. Just have poop rooms with good ventilation and a community sink.

[–] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 45 points 2 days ago

No worries, I'll just hold it until I find a politician to piss on

[–] tal@lemmy.today 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Before long, it became clear that private toilet facilities were probably impossible to make work, and the only real option was to revert to public urination and defecation in the street, an option that had worked admirably for many centuries.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 days ago

Trans people and people who don't mind trans people get private stalls; TERFs can poo in public so everyone can see if a scary trans person bothers them. If they don't want to, they're welcome to use the stalls too.

[–] Lembot_0004@discuss.online 38 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Fascinating how some people are capable of creating problems out of nowhere. That's Trumponia-tier idiocy.

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We can thank the TERFs and their fellow bigots for managing that.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

amplified by the TERF queen rowling, and musk. which also made certain people super-sensitive about trans issues.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

which is a russia-backed sort of propaganda, yes we know putin love to push these sort of things to sow division, what better than CULTURE wars stuff.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Reminder - because trans men are almost always treated as invisible in these conversations - UK law makes it illegal for trans men to piss anywhere at all. Trans women can use the men’s, but trans men cannot use the women’s or the men’s.

It’s fucked.

[–] FosterMolasses@leminal.space 3 points 1 day ago

trans men are almost always treated as invisible in these conversations

Seconded. There's almost zero solidarity most of the time in the trans community when it comes to trans-men, who often get treated as though they should just vie for themselves. It's almost like some sort of reflexive trauma of not wanting to associate with anything remotely masculine post-op.

I've seen trans-men literally get berated and put down for being enthusiastic about anything remotely masculine, be it sports or clothing, 24/7 by other trans people. They fucking hate them.