Of course it feels good. But young people have to work, and are tired by the end of a day, and can't afford their property with a garden.
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Not having a job certainly does sound amazing!
Even then, some people are just basically nocturnal. When I have long vacations my sleep time pushes later and later until I pretty much go to sleep close to dawn and wake up around noon or early/mid afternoon. Really sucks when work punches me in the face again after that though.
Yeah, mornings at the end of the 'day' were the best when I worked overnights or really late shifts. Sitting on the porch and drinking a beer with my roommate while kids passed by on their way to school was pretty damn funny.
And the amount of effort and space and knowledge you need to turn your love for gardening into a self-sustaining subsistence is utterly unfeasible for the vast majority of humans right now.
We tried it. We did it for eons. Then slowly, people started realizing they could trade what they have extra of, for things they needed, and that we could even centralize this trading system and cities were born, and then people were able to work jobs managing the trade of goods instead of just digging in dirt day and night and fewer people starved or froze every winter.
Our working world is, for the most part, objectively better than how we've lived for the last several hundred thousand years. What is making us miserable is our lack of community and connection, because we didn't do all that stuff I mentioned above alone. We survived by making groups, families, communities and eventually cities and nations.
We are in the better timeline right now, but all ya'll kids played Stardew Valley a buncha times and now you think you can go be farmers and be anti-social introverts at the same time.
We had a garden when I was a young kid, it was a blast getting fresh vegetables and all the rest.
It was possible because my mom was a stay at home mom at the time. When we got a little older and money was tight, mom went to work and the garden didn't get planted anymore because nobody had reliable time to spend weeding or watering anymore.
Requiring all the adults to work full time jobs, sometimes more than one, means no time for taking care of anything around the home anymore unless someone is lucky enough to retire while they are still physically active.
Work is just trading your life energy for money because you are forced to. This was fine when it felt like that work paid off. Now, it feels like avoiding work is what actually pays off.
Americans are nuts putting so much value on working for some corp. Some of us may feel thats our purpose here, but how many feels like its pointless and it makes us sad and tired every day.
I work 40 hours a week (wish it were fewer), but my job consists of helping to set guidelines so that individuals with intellectual and developmental disabilities have effective treatment for problematic behaviors AND that their rights are protected as much as possible. I feel like the work is worthwhile. I should be paid more than I am, but I am paid better than most of the people with whom I work. If they paid me 10-15k more, it would be a pretty great job. As it is, I enjoy a lot of the work I do.
You can do all of that without waking up early
Waking up with the sun setting is what generally feels good, depending on how far north or South of the equator you are living.
europeans will be all, 930pm? thats when we get lunch!
Depends where those Europeans come from. What you describe is mostly a southern thing as the temperatures in summer change their work times. In Northern Germany for example lunch is pretty much dead set between 1130 and 1300
Southern Europe maybe.
In Belgium they close restaurants at 19:30
Can confirm, southern Europe here.
Typical restaurant opening hours are from 12 to 3PM for lunch, then they close and open again at 7PM for dinner, close at 10:30PM.
21h30 ? hah ! at 21h30 I haven't even had my breakfast from the day before
Eating dinner at 5 and going to bed at 9? What do you do in the meantime ?
Reading books. It’s right there in between eating dinner at 5 and going to bed at 9. You should try it, may help your reading comprehension/memory (just a little snark, don’t take it seriously ;))
Plow the spouse.
Read a book or something. I don't know.
[insert quiet indoor hobby here] I do image editing/graphic design, origami, or work on puzzles while listening to something.
I wish I could go to bed early. But noisy neighbours make it impossible.
I basically need them to go to sleep before I can go to sleep.
Earplugs 😀
If the noise is due to footsteps and shit like that, earplugs dont do anything. The low freqeuncy vibration just cuts right theough them (and your skull if its low enough)
Mine work fine with footsteps and such. It's only trucks and obnoxious scooter motors that get through.
this is cool and also does not stop you from going to a rave or skydiving or whatever
Once your body is used to a healthy schedule it will punish you mercilessly when you try to stray. I've stayed up too late and had hangovers from nights where I didn't even DRINK.
Going out food is also a potential culprit for hangovers without alcohol. I used to live in a place where domino’s was the only place that delivered and it took me until about the third non-drinking hangover I got after getting pizza to realize it was the salt.
That’s also why people report headaches, nausea, and dizziness after eating MSG, imo. It’s not anything to do with the MSG itself, just dehydration from the sodium that would cause the same issues if they’d ingested it in the form of table salt.
Interesting... I'll try watching my sodium next time.
Most raves are after 9:30pm? Going to bed before it starts kind of stops you from going.
You can join at 6am ;)
Only the half burntout zombies are left by then...no one likes joining a dying party.
And you're only getting out of bed at 6am, you're not at the rave until 6:45-7am at the earliest.
And here I am with delayed sleep phase disorder at 2:00 AM PDT
It is a disorder because it does't follow banking hours!
The vlog brothers did a video on this. It's considered a disorder when it interferes with life, so if you have a job in the morning. But it is no long a disorder when you set your working hours.
But yeah, generally society demands you awake in the morning.
I feel this. Even reading about waking up at 6 AM hurts. Any time I have to do that, the day is ruined before it even begins.
Yeah this is pretty much my life and it's awesome :)
i think the younger me would argue that it's probably not as fun as we think, except that we're old now
I'd skip the gardening but the rest would be fine assuming I'm in (a) stable romantic/sexual relationship(s) already in addendum. That isn't to say I don't enjoy socializing intrinsically but yeah TBH looking for some love is basically the main reason I leave the house outside of work. And you can't do that before 9:30pm.