I can't answer that question but I've always wondered why anyone switches to Brave. I installed it a few years ago because I heard it was privacy focused and it immediately hit me with a bunch of shit about crypto and rewards or something. I uninstalled it immediately.
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It does respect your privacy but it comes with bloatware. You can actually remove them pretty easily
"Respect" for you as the user means you shouldn't have to do stuff like that in the first place.
Eh, gotta make money somehow. I prefer this over selling out to google
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Brave falls under "security theatre" and is absolutely useless
And run by a homophobic crypto bro.
Who also inflicted Javascript upon the world, the incompetent piece of shit.
I won't say that's worse than the homophobia because I don't want to seem dismissive about oppression of queer folks, but it sure as Hell isn't better, either!
Attacking his politics is valid, and that does make me uneasy about using Brave. I’m curious where the security theater accusation comes from. Brave strikes a nice balance imo. If I wanted true security I would use Tor, but honestly that would add so much friction I would probably quit the internet.
Attacking JavaScript is a stupid argument. So many people just pile on JavaScript. I bet a lot of the same people are into FOSS and self hosting. If you write your app in 100% JavaScript without a backend, it can run on almost every operating system. Think about that for a second. We have the ultimate cross platform language. Yes it’s grown out of something that was originally messy, but a lot of work has been done to make it better.
Don’t attack JavaScript, attack the bad parts of JavaScript like type coercion. Yes, you can probably blame Brendan Eich for that part. Attack the businesses that are enshitifying everything.
We could have had Scheme or Python (both of which are also cross-platform, BTW) embedded in the browser instead. And yes, Netscape was seriously considering those two specific languages before Eich oozed into the situation and fucked it all up.
Javascript did not "need" to happen. The only reasons it exists are Not-Invented-Here and Dunning-Kruger Syndromes (specifically, Netscape wanting something new and vaguely Algol-like that they could name to glom onto the Java hype at the time, and Eich having the inexperience and hubris to think he could hack together a half-assed design in a week and it would somehow turn out okay).
Yes it’s grown out of something that was originally messy, but a lot of work has been done to make it better.
Yeah, no shit! Literally millions upon millions of man-hours, probably! Do you have any concept at all of how much better the Web could have been if all that effort had been put towards something actually useful instead of working around Eich's mistakes?!
I can’t speak to Scheme as I haven’t spent more than a few days using it. Python has a lot of strengths but also a lot of weaknesses. JavaScript has had to evolve with 100% backwards compatibility. The python you enjoy today would have had to evolve differently if it was the language of the browser.
Look I’m kinda young. Not that young, but too young for Netscape. You clearly lived through more of the history than I did. But imo, the thing ruining the internet isn’t JavaScript, it’s late stage capitalism and greedy companies. You could have Python or Scheme or whatever and late stage capitalism would still have ruined it.
If you feel so strongly that JavaScript is the issue, why don’t you invest your time in helping Webassebly grow? Imo that’s more useful than complaining about JavaScript.
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Not my work, it is from a saved comment by @cannedtuna@lemmy.world in a now deleted post.
This is a very well written an thorough article and I highly recommend reading it. If you don't want to however, here is a summary of the key points:
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- Brendan Eich donated to anti-LGBT political organizations, politicians, and initiatives such as CA Prop 8 which banned same-sex marriages.
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- Brave promised to replace ads with privacy friendly ads that would actually pay publishers and even users with a volatile cryptocurrency while keeping a cut for themselves. This never actually came to life and was criticized as "blatantly illegal".
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- Brave collected donations for popular content creators without actually involving or seeking consent from said creators. In short they accepted donations in crypto for creators, but would only pay out if it reached a minimum value of $100. When called out, Brave said refunds were impossible.
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2020 — Brave injects referral links when visiting crypto wallets
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- Brave injected their own referral links for services such as Binance without informing users or asking permission.
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- Brave turned their home screen image rotator into a place to serve ads, many of which were suspicious or crypto related.
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- Brave added a Tor feature which exposed users DNS requests
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- Brave refuses to disclose their crawler bot to websites since many websites want to block Brave Search. Brave will only chose not to crawl a website if it also blocks Google's crawler.
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2024 - So-called "privacy browser" deprecated advanced fingerprinting protection
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- Brave removed a the Strict, Block Fingerprinting privacy feature from their browser.
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- Brave paid for targeted ads for users searching for Firefox in the Play Store and ran a campaign to "Forget the Fox". When called out on this the VP publicly denied it and claimed it was photo-shopped.
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- The VP of Brave, Luke Mulks, frequently posts about all things crypto, from NFTs to FTX, and uses AI-gen images to promote them. He also frequently re-tweets right-wing activists.
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- Brendan Eich's feed also frequently contains right-wing content and Republican propaganda despite his claims to be "independent".
Edit: corrected a mistake noted below.
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SCNR if they were able to make good decisions, they would never have switched to chrome anyway. /s
tbh, i don't get all the mozilla/firefox hate. even "the linux project" missed the mark by a mile with his firefox critique.
whatever mozilla does, it's not even half as evil as google
We learned that from politics in general. Vote for the lesser evil, not for the optimal choice, as there is none, sadly.
Firefox is my main browser but there's a few specific things that only work in chromium.
People will use whatever works for them.
Other than MS Teams, which is garbage by default, I have yet to find anything that's not working in Firefox.
The only times I've ever run into stuff not working were:
- The GrapheneOS installer bc it uses web USB
- Sites that decide Firefox isn't good enough (glares at Pearson), though I just use a user agent switcher and suddenly the site works
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I wanted to try Brave a couple of years ago. I ran the installer, and it was one of those pieces of shit installers that just goes ahead and installs without any input from the user, dumping god knows what onto your system, and it puts everything in some obscure AppData subdirectory that can't be deduced without right-clicking the desktop shortcut. I uninstalled it without even launching it once.
If a user is 50/50 on whether or not they just installed malware, you might wanna check your programming practices.
Well reading comments here has me going to download Vivaldi to replace Brave.
Thank y'all!
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I want to use the same browser on desktop and mobile, but Firefox doesn’t support ad-blocking on iOS.
Maybe the problem is not Firefox here, but Apple.
Apple does not allow other browsers than Safari on iOS. All other browsers are just reskins of Safari.
The problem is absolutely Apple but a guy’s still gotta block his ads somehow
Extricating yourself from the Apple ecosystem can be tough for some people.
/yes, I use Android
Pihole.
That's not a great suggestion for the stated use case of a mobile device which, presumably, will be leaving the pihole's network frequently.
Tailscale, zerotier, or any other VPN server on your home network can keep your mobile device on your pihole network regardless of physical location.
This is not something the average person does, or is even technically capable of doing.
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Also simply compatibility, some sites just don't work (or dont work well) on Firefox or librewolf, thats one key reason I go back to brave for a lot of things.
I genuinely have not seen a site that doesn't work on Firefox in years. Probably five or more. Can you think of an example off the top of your head?
Same here, I've been using it for years both on mobile and desktop, and I can't remember the last time I've had to open chrome for a specific website
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Name and shame them. Send them a complaint.
Relatedly, does anyone know if there's a public list of sites that don't work (properly or at all) in Firefox somewhere? A quick (non-Google) web search doesn't seem to turn one up. If I was working at Mozilla, that would be the kind of database I might be interested in making a public resource. And I don't mean as part of the Bug Tracker, though links between the two for legitimate problems could be useful, I guess.
Something with a very basic interface that has an offending site name, how it doesn't work, perhaps why, and what, if anything, Mozilla can do about it. In short simple sentences. One per offending site in 16pt text. And a search feature for when it runs to the hundreds.
It could be something like: [favicon/logo] example.com - Outright states that it will not support Firefox. Mozilla cannot do anything about this. Complain to Example Inc. [favicon/logo] example.net - interface is buggy in Firefox. Site misuses web standards in a way incompatible with Firefox's renderer. We are looking into this. [favicon/logo] example.org - interface does not load. Site uses non-standard Google-only CSS properties. We are looking into this, but you could also contact The Example Organisation to ask them to review their CSS. etc.
I've not had any problems with the handful of sites I use, at least not outside of something caused by browser security or add-ons which I eventually figured out how to fix.
That said, I've probably forgotten a handful I just straight up refused to visit again when they didn't work and now they're not in my regular rotation any more, so I don't notice.
I thought all browsers on iOS were just wrappers for the same engine (webkit?), so they really can't do much there.
Yes but multiple browsers managed to support ad-block on iOS, including Safari.
Firefox seems to be the ONLY browser without ad-block support on iOS.
Both Vivaldi and Brave have working adblockers on iOS while Firefox does not. This is not WebKit's fault, shouldn't be an issue for Firefox mobile developers to implement.
Conversely, no browser but Firefox supports ad blocking (and other) addons on Android.
Brave, Vivaldi, Samsung Internet all support ad-blocking on Android, as far as I remember.
But it is not addon support
There are no ads in my Firefox. Is it because of DNS?
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I tried out Firefox on my phone a year or two ago. I had a number of issues, including accessing secure pages for work. I have little doubt that it wasn't Firefox at fault so much as it was narrow testing by website developers, but the end result was problems for me regardless of who was at fault, so I switched back to Chrome.
I have Brave alongside my Librewolf installation because of Chromecast. Yes, II know, crazy to have Google shit in your house but it just works and I at least have TechnitiumDNS.
Because Brave is by default what Firefox is when you install Librewolf instead - and more. And you can refuse to see that and be wrong about it, I don't care. I use Librewolf because I want to, I still think it's not the better browser.
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