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I really never have believed times improved, and i am almost positive things will only get worse.

30 years ago we had a future to look to, the unshittified internet, great music, affordable land/housing, affordable durable cars, people actually interacted in real life, no social media trash. Now, we have billionaires and LLMs. I don't see how anyone can possibly think times are better or going to improve.

Yes, everyone will say "civil rights improved" and yes thats maybe the only thing that has changed, however it's getting taken away every day again so I don't think you can even use that point anymore.

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[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

30 years ago we had a future to look to

You were less cynical, I remember people in the 90s saying the world was shit and getting worse, that there was no future.

the unshittified internet

Do you really remember the internet back then? Of course it wasn't enshittified, there were only dozens of people online. And it really depends on what you mean with enshittified, the designs were horrible and polluted, sure it didn't had ads, but realistically even a page with adds nowadays is more readable than most websites back then, with tiling images background, gifs everywhere and interesting font choices.

I'm sure that the vast majority of stuff you do online today wasn't available in 95, so yeah, it might have become "enshittified" but it also became usable, and a shitty usable thing is better than a pure useless thing in my book.

great music

That is relative, I bet young people today feel 90s music was good and old people feel it was bad, because it depends on the age you had at the time. Generally we tend to think that the music that was popular in our group when we were around 14 to be good, so I bet that 14 YO today love today's music, and telling them their music is bad sounds exactly the same as when old people used to tell us that the music was better in their times.

affordable land/housing

Was it though? Let's pick a place, let's say NY since it's a well known city worldwide, minimum wage was apparently $4.25 and an apartment in NY costed $328 per sqft (as best as I can find out), this means that you had to work 30 years with all your money going into an apartment to afford it. So no, it wasn't affordable, it's become worse since then, but it wasn't the wonderful past where everyone could buy a house that you seem to think it was.

affordable durable cars

Is it though? Most cars from the 90s are in dumpsters by now, they consumed so much gas that it simply wasn't worth keeping them. And by the 90s cars had already started using electronics so they don't even have the appeal that a purely mechanical car from the 60s brings to the table. Also again with the affordability probably wasn't all that much better than now, where you can probably get a used car for very cheap.

people actually interacted in real life

People still interact in real life, go check meetups or other local events. In fact we have more opportunities to interact in real life today because we can look for stuff that interest you to check out, I. The 90s it was my experience you mostly always hanged up with that same people in the same place because you never knew what else was happening in the city.

no social media trash

No social media at all, social media is not 100% bad, you're using one now

Now, we have billionaires

Those already existed back then, in fact they were mostly the same people. Also they had a lot more control over the media back then because without social media and internet there were no alternatives to mainstream media which is almost entirely controlled by billionaires. So long story short, the problem was already there, you just weren't aware of it.

and LLMs.

What about LLMs? They're great tools for brainstorming and getting unstuck, but beyond that they're very limited and are a huge money sink that companies are desperately throwing money to try to get something out, but so far they haven't delivered. Yes there are people getting fired because of LLMs, and it really sucks for them, and I wish they had a good social net to catch them during this time, but honestly I think we're about to hit a turning point in the coming years where companies will understand that LLMs are all promise no pay (plus a few lawsuits from big companies getting their copyright infringed on will help) and will hire those people back.

I don't see how anyone can possibly think times are better or going to improve.

Like you mentioned, civil rights are at an all time high, even with conservatives worldwide trying to revert the situation LGBTQ+ are well more accepted now than what they were in the 90s; Interracial couples is not a debatable topic anymore outside of the Klan; Smoking indoors has been banned and marijuana has been mostly legalized; Cars are lots more fuel efficient and that's without mentioning EVs; Billionaires are still a problem, but as a society they're now being criticized out in the open, whereas before they were not even discussed at all; Crime is at an all time low, and reporting percentage is better than ever (as in people didn't used to report crimes), not to mention that we have a lot more crimes being recognized (Marital rape wasn't even a crime until 93 in the US), and we have become a lot better at preventing innocents from being arrested and freeing the ones that had in the past; Life expectancy at an all time high, and medicine has become lots more affordable (although this might not be the case for the US, but it is worldwide) and better; Technology has not only advanced drastically, but it has become a lot more accessible both in terms of price and usability; Workers right have increased significantly, and work life balance is a lot better in general terms; etc, etc, etc, we tend to only remember the good things of the past and look at it with pink glasses, but in reality if you were to suddenly be transported back to 95 you would probably find it a worse time than today by most day-to-day metrics.

[–] toddestan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Do you really remember the internet back then? Of course it wasn’t enshittified, there were only dozens of people online. And it really depends on what you mean with enshittified, the designs were horrible and polluted, sure it didn’t had ads, but realistically even a page with adds nowadays is more readable than most websites back then, with tiling images background, gifs everywhere and interesting font choices.

I’m sure that the vast majority of stuff you do online today wasn’t available in 95, so yeah, it might have become “enshittified” but it also became usable, and a shitty usable thing is better than a pure useless thing in my book.

Do you remember the internet back then? Sure, there were some truly terrible websites around back then, but most of the internet wasn't like what MySpace looked like a decade later.

Is it though? Most cars from the 90s are in dumpsters by now, they consumed so much gas that it simply wasn’t worth keeping them. And by the 90s cars had already started using electronics so they don’t even have the appeal that a purely mechanical car from the 60s brings to the table. Also again with the affordability probably wasn’t all that much better than now, where you can probably get a used car for very cheap.

As someone who was around back then, the quality of 90's cars were far better than the 70-80's cars that preceded them (in general). By the 1990's a lot of issues that plagued the early electronics in cars (late 70's-80's) had been sorted out, things like fuel injection became standard, the quality of paints improved drastically - 1990's cars didn't rust out nearly as bad as cars from previous decades. Of course most of these cars are gone now - the newest 1990's cars are over 25 years old at this point, but it's still not uncommon to see them driving around. Much more so than seeing cars from the 60's-70's driving around in the 1990's.

[–] Nibodhika@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most of the internet in the 90s was either that or the complete opposite, i.e. a bare text with links. Tell me since you said you actually remember the internet back then, what did you used to do in it? What websites did you frequent?

As for the cars I never said they were worse than before, my point with the purely mechanical cars from the 60s or before is that people still keep them because they're fully mechanic, but that cars from the 90s don't have that appeal. Everything that made the cars from the 90s better than the ones from the 80s was improved upon since then, realistically today's cars are much better in any metric you want to compare.

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 1 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Personally, I do the same things on the internet now that I did in the 90's. That's one thing that hasn't really changed.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I was very happy in the mid 90's. It was my prime time with my friends. Mid-20s and high on life.

Now, I need to put in a lot more effort to be happy and have fun. I am grateful that many of those great friends are still in my close circle.

[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah a lot of people in this thread seem to be comparing their personal good ol' days with now, rather than thinking broader.

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

Convenience-wise? Yes. A lot of things are easier to get taken care of now. From being able to handle DMV shit online to organizing events to paying bills. All way easier than they used to be.

Everything else....yeah, no. Things are not good economically. Things are not good socially. Things are not good civically. Stress levels are high. Suicides are up. Wealth disparity is getting insane. Finding career jobs with good employers is rough. Have fun buying a house. You might be on the street if you have a medical emergency. Fuck you if you're poor.

Generally speaking, things are getting worse, but we've got some cool tech and easier payment methods while everything else goes to shit, so we've got that going for us.

[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

30 years ago we THOUGHT we had a future.

Yeah, definitely better, but for me personally. I... had a shitty childhood.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago

That all depends on the people. Many numbers in many places are far better than they were three decades ago. I could make a list, but so can you, so why bother.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 1 points 19 hours ago

30 years ago the Internet was tiny, and to this day you can largely get the same experience if you opt to ignore some of the more frustrating Internet. In practice it is a problem that extremist views can come closer together without the moderating influence of those physically near you. would definitely appreciate a harder push back towards federation and a break from subscription based software, though compared to 30 years ago, the free software today is better than anything we had back then.

Our cars were not durable, drive trains can take a whole lot more negligence than they used to and hoses and gaskets last longer than they did back then. There have been struggles with some cars adding turbos for efficiency, but even those are way less problematic than they used to be.

We can interact in real life, we just largely don't. As an adult I probably interact with peers about as much as my parents did when they were my age, not much at all. Constant hanging out goes away with age for most people.

There's a lot of regression in the world but that pendulum swings back and forth.

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