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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 155 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Let's build an app to liberate communications but only release it inside a closed garden. Great idea

[–] Eldritch@piefed.social 53 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I don't trust Jack. But this does seem marginally interesting. Actually decentralized, no servers supposedly. We'll have to see. Again I sure as hell I'm not going to trust dorsey. And he's got it under some cringey edgelord "unlicense" license which basically appears to be MIT just with a different name. The actual concept seems intriguing. But definitely nothing to get excited about currently.

[–] Pro@programming.dev 41 points 3 days ago (1 children)

And he's got it under some cringey edgelord "unlicense" license which basically appears to be MIT just with a different name.

Bro, Public Domain.

[–] Eldritch@piefed.social 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

He used different terms in different places. And to be frank, I'm not sure I'd heard about unlicense before. But upon closer look it does seem to be a the goal. Despite not being valid or applicable in a few jurisdictions.

[–] sit_up_straight@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

youtube-dl and yt-dlp are under unlicense. it's just boilerplate legalese for public domain

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[–] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 102 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

I read it like that first and thought it was one of these illegal apps to track your partner without them knowing.

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 75 points 2 days ago

Bitch At

Lmao

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 58 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Bit chat

Bitch at

Being Jack Dorsey, I'm going with the latter.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"IRC vibes" -> maybe intended, see BitchX.

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[–] notarobot@lemmy.zip 10 points 2 days ago

Ive read it called bitch@

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago

'Where my bitchat?'

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 55 points 2 days ago (3 children)

messaging app that works over Bluetooth mesh networks. No internet

So he's made a shitty version of Briar and crammed crypto into it?

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 2 days ago

Just wait for AI enhancements.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Briar doesn’t have an iOS client an never will

This doesn’t have an android client 😀

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago

Like I said, Briar is better

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[–] KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 day ago
[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Ingenious name. I feel like Bitchat should be connected somehow with PenIsland.

[–] iopq@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

If you want to bitch at someone, there's an app for that

[–] lemonuri@infosec.pub 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is already a really good foss app that does exactly that, it's called briar and is as secure and private as it gets. The downside with p2p communication apps being, that they eat your phones battery for breakfast. Still a good option for activists or journalists I think. It's a good way to get around the "server in the middle" problem. Still more convenient to run your own (xmpp) server at home imho...

[–] hietsu@sopuli.xyz 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

** for Android (and Windows/macOS/Linux) but not iOS.

And apparently never going to be as some key component is written in Java. Other technical obstacles should be solvable (like f.ex. getting continuous running in bg by exploiting location services like iSH can do)

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[–] zapzap@lemmings.world 22 points 1 day ago (4 children)

If you're in Bluetooth range can't you chat with your mouths? Or is it for secretly chatting when you're in a group of people? I don't get the use case.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 12 points 1 day ago

It's not about you being in bluetooth range of the person you want to talk to, it's about all the people sitting in between you both that pass the message along without touching the internet.

So you can be on a cargo ship, or on a remote island, with 20 other people and all use chat. If 1 person has internet, then you can all chat globally as well.

It's the same basic method of how airtags work. Everyone with an iPhone connects to the airtag and passes data to Apple. It's just done in the background, so users don't ever notice.

Bluetooth ranges are quite large now.

But an example even if someone is a foot away would be a concert or event where it's to loud.

Could be useful on a plane: If you have different seats than someone and don't want to pay for your airline's ridiculous data prices. Although, most airlines I fly on(american, delta, air canada, united) all have free RCS/Facebook/Whatsapp, but not necessarily Signal, Telegram, Matrix, or your preferred secure service.

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[–] Mniot@programming.dev 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I once did some programming on the Cybiko, a device from 2000 that could form a wireless mesh network with peers. The idea was that you could have a shopping mall full of teens and they'd be able to chat with each other from one end to the other by routing through the mesh. It was a neat device!

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[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

I mean...I guess thanks for the stepping off point? Android has the Briar Project, which couldn't be distributed for iOS due to Apple's license fuckery. I'm at least curious enough to look through this and see what they've done different.

I think the most useless part of this is using BT only which has a range of what...40ft?

[–] Eldritch@piefed.social 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's definitely limiting. LoRa wan meshed network is more useful. But most people don't have a LoRa capable device. I could see something like this at a protest or public event at least. If there were enough nodes in the area the network could span hundreds to thousands of feet with the right conditions. But that's a big ask ATM.

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The best app to Bitch At things.

[–] falynns@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Neat idea 10 years ago "discovered" recently by a tech bro who thinks he's the first one to think of it. He got his clicks, I guess.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago

No one has got it right yet though. Being apple only, he hasn’t either.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (9 children)

Oh great, yet another secure messaging app.

Getting people to move off Messenger or even WhatsApp is tricky enough already for to interview and resistance to change. But even when you can coax them to move, you then often end up in a debate about where to move to. Signal, Briar, Viber, whatever proprietary thing Apple is currently pushing, or the thousands of other options/apps. I guess we can just add this one to that long list.

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[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wanted something like this for weddings or group camping type events for sharing photos to multiple others at once.

[–] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Isnt that what QuickShare and Airdrop solves?

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (8 children)
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[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Have a look at meshtastic. Yes, you do have to get a separate device, but range on it can be several tens to hundreds of miles depending on the mesh density.

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[–] mahi@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago

I'm happy to see a niche decentralized thing from Jack more than if it was another commercial start-up. And I have nothing against yet another bluetooth chat. But I'm not impressed. In the whitepaper nothing is written about spam protection, so it wouldn't work as a reliable P2P app at scale. And the UI... It's mere a toy for Jack's personal nostalgia about "the good old times". And nostalgia driven development doesn't work in general, I would say.

For all those little bitches.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

don't nazis already have telegram

[–] Pro@programming.dev 7 points 1 day ago

Now they have a second option.

[–] fittedsyllabi@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

So he took a page from Apple, copied Firechat, and will offer it to users who use Apple products. Yeah, okay, nice, I’m in.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

This reminds me of the times I was saving text files on my phone and sending them to random classmates, which makes me think that if two people (especially between iOS and Android) want to communicate in BT, there is no need for a third party app.

[–] Atelopus-zeteki@fedia.io 6 points 3 days ago

Well that's odd, on the apple App Store there is a 4 year old Social Networking app called BitChat, that appears to mostly be in Japanese. I think I'll stick with Signal.

[–] Kurious84@eviltoast.org 6 points 2 days ago

He should try a cheeseburger once in awhile.

Seems rehashed, with more enshittification likely to be baked in. Typical tech bros.

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