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[–] rowrowrowyourboat@sh.itjust.works 143 points 1 day ago (12 children)

By age 23, 49 percent of black males, 44 percent of Hispanic males and 38 percent of white males have been arrested.

https://www.albany.edu/news/45558.php

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago

Jesus fucking shit thats horrifying

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 3 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

it helps keep the for-profit business in business, as being arrested makes it you ineligible for most military services, not all but the more specialize ones will deny you based on that, it still negotiable, except for felony, or SA any sex related crimes.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 36 points 1 day ago (4 children)

All of those sound insanely high. If you take a group of 10 random adult men from the US, roughly four of them have been arrested?

Is a lot of it for underage drinking because that law is so far from lived reality?

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 27 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Roughly 25% of the country will be arrested, or put on probation at least once in their lives. That's been a steady statistic since the early '90s when Clinton signed his crime bill.

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Right, but this headline says age 23... hard to believe that!

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 10 hours ago

Clinton signed his crime bill

I wasn't familiar, thanks for the pointer. This rhetoric "though on crime" has been going on from before my birth it seems.

We cannot take our country back until we take our neighborhoods back. Four years ago this crime issue was used to divide America. I want to use it to unite America. I want to be tough on crime and good for civil rights. You can't have civil justice without order and safety.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 20 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

I got arrested as a kid for skipping school! I was being sexually assaulted in the school bathroom and was terrified of leaving the house, but obviously the way to solve that was cuffing me and throwing me in juvie.

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Wow that's fucked. In my country the kids going to school is the parents legal responsibility, they can actually get fined if the child is delinquent. But never would the child be arrested.

I'm very sorry that happened to you, both the sexual assault and the police treatment.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 12 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I'm betting that this counts field arrests and not just people that are brought to the station, booked, and detained. By that definition, my close friend circle in high school would have been right in line with this numbers.

I, a white cis-man, was technically arrested twice before I was 23 (once for possession of alcohol and once for possession of marijuana) but I've never been brought to the station or read my rights. Both times a field arrest report was filled out and I was issued an appearance ticket with a court date. This was in NY so your experiences with the same crimes might be wildly different.

[–] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I'm betting that this counts field arrests

Does this include things like traffic stops, I wonder?

[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 hours ago

The questionnaire respondents are requested to leave those out. See my other comment. I dug up some detail.

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[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

And that is based on data only up to 2008. You know that's so much worse now.

[–] Pendorilan@lemmy.world 21 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Maybe we just arrest people and throw them in jail way too fucking much. Land of the imprisoned, home of the DA

[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 14 hours ago

I called 911 as the victim of DV, they came and arrested both of us. The system is so broken.

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 14 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (6 children)

I'm in my 40s and have met, I don't know, at least several hundred people over my lifetime more than once. At least as far as I know none of them has been in actual prison. Few have spent their night on the jail when getting too drunk (and obviously done some stupid shit while wasted) and police have "offered" them a bed to sober up but that's it.

Obviously not in the US. I can't even imagine society where nearly every other male you encounter would've been in prison at some point.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 10 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Same, except I am in the US. I suspect this is highly stratified by class, such that either nobody you know has been arrested or everybody you know has been arrested.

[–] SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 20 hours ago

Yeah. I've (unfortunately) been in the US for the last few years. I'm at an university though, so most of my American peers come from a fairy rich (and mostly white) background. None of them have ever been arrested.

[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

White male who grew up in Idaho here.

I have been arrested on several occasions and so have a number of my friends.

I would not consider myself poor or lower class either. Id assume your theory holds some weight, but I'd also assume it follows a lot of trends we wouldn't expect as well.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

us does have the highest amount PRISONERS in the world, and incarceration rate. recividism is pretty high, as there is almost non-existent rehabilitation for offendors. also the fact they dont prepare inmates for the outside world years later, when things changed, so its almost impossible to get a job, so they commit another crime just so they stay in prison.

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[–] victorz@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That is an insane percentage, holy crap.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 16 hours ago

also preferentially targeting Race too, and then income wise.

[–] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 13 points 22 hours ago

Police state

[–] plyth@feddit.org 12 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

and 38 percent of white males

The headline is bad, but my expectation would have been something low like 1% for white men. 30% worse treatment for black men is bad, but it is not the expected 5000%.

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

Do you live in the US? Most people I know have been arrested.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Obviously not. I have read about stop and frisk and racial targeting. It never came up that at least a third of all males are arrested once. More puzzling, this doesn't seem to be limited to some states.

It's surreal. Why are people arrested? Are the arrests justified?

I can understand if the majority condones a police state to surpress the minorities. But if everybody gets arrested why is there not a successful movement for change? Do Americans know that it is different elsewhere?

[–] MutilationWave@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Why are people arrested? So many reasons. Cops are stupid and racist covers a good bit. Now more than anytime since slavery. There's also the huge prison-industrial complex which makes big bucks keeping prisons filled.

Americans do not know that it is different. I saw something once that the vast majority of Americans die within 50 miles of where they were born. I'm of the opinion that travel cures ignorance, but most people just don't really do it. First off it can be expensive, and secondly going on a cruise doesn't count, I don't care if you got off the boat in Jamaica for three hours and bought some trash in a confined area. Sorry, but you haven't been to Jamaica.

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

...you need time off work to travel; that's a luxury few working-class americans can afford even to visit the next state, let alone the indulgence to travel internationally...

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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago

Arrest is different from imprisonment, it must be noted.

[–] RandAlThor@lemmy.ca 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (2 children)

Why have so many people have been arrested in the US? This is crazy ridiculous.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

i was detained a well known chain store in the early 2000s for lifting, and at the same time they also ignored a tall white guy who went through security devices which caused it to beep, they completely ignored them and focused on me.

worst if your A POC, they target certain races in certain areas. back 90s 2000s i heard they went after alot of asians in LA area because of alleged gang activity. they almost never target affluent or near affluent areas.

if you a poc walking near even certain groups of white people you will get the immediate dirty look from patrons and even the employees of certains business sometimes or even change thier body language, never seen that when a white person does that.

[–] Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net 2 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction —US 13th Amendment

Capitalism and Statism. That's why

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 hours ago

America bad

unironically

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What was that? The land of the free?

Whoever told you that is your enemy.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Is this an anti-flag lyric? It sounds so familiar

edit: wait it's rage against the machine isn't it

[–] NeilBru@lemmy.world 4 points 20 hours ago

Can't waste the day when the night brings a hearse. So make a move and plead the 5th 'cause you can't plead the 1st.

[–] TheKMAP@lemmynsfw.com 34 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

The takeaway here should be that poverty creates crime.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 26 points 17 hours ago

and that systemic racism, ie deliberate policies, maintain the status quo and keep black and non white communities poor, and even some white communities are kept poor.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 9 points 7 hours ago

It's always been an absolute and complete source of bafflement to me how many people don't seem to get this. I'm a (relatively) high earner and have no hesitation voting for the most left wing candidate on the ballot, because I think it represents good value to pay a few extra percent in tax to not have to be scared walking down the street or to keep checking my home security cameras. What's the point having wealth if I'm constantly having to protect it?

[–] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 28 points 23 hours ago

Damn. Glad I'll never go to that backwards ass shithole country.

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 18 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Land of the free...

I'd like to compare with stats for other parts of the world.

[–] Maxxie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 hours ago

US has more people imprisoned than China. Not per capita, total.

Yep

[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 hours ago

And if MAGA has their way, the other half will be shot.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 6 hours ago

Republicans: The other half are guilty of something, we just haven’t got to them yet.

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