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[–] RubberDuck@lemmy.world 65 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Imagine the Pope, saying that calling for the death of paedophile priests was a call for the death of all Christians.

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 40 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

It's pretty fucking gross that the media is making the folks literally shooting live ammo at refugees as the victim.

[–] DreamAccountant@lemmy.world 7 points 23 hours ago

They do what their boss tells them to do, are fired, or they resign.

All the respected journalists already resigned.

"The boss" is a billionaire, because billionaires own all mass media. They dictate what you do and do not see, and what side is given more or less support.

It has been this way in the past, it got a little better, now it's completely out of control. If you let billionaire nazis have full control of your press, you're going to have a completely nazi press.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

The pope would never call for the death of pedophiles.

„Death penalty for pedophiles“ is a common slogan used by neonazis.

Pedophiles need psychological treatment or prison if they are a danger.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It's also a dogwhistle since Nazis call anyone they don't like a pédophilie (while they themselves love diddling kids)

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 4 points 21 hours ago

Yes, it’s usually followed up by death for LGBT.

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 1 points 23 hours ago

I was about to build a whole hypothetical analogy out of Vatican City and the Piazza San Pietro, but I couldn't be arsed.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

So he is equating the IDF, a genocidal gorganization, priding itself in executing medics, sniping children and starving millions of people while baiting some of them with the promise of food into a kill zone, with Judaism and Jews in general.

That sounds like an extreme version of the blood libel to me.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 19 hours ago

Pretty sure it meets their strange definition of antisemitism.

Even the semites are antisemites.

[–] DreamAccountant@lemmy.world 0 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

People use religions to commit hate, murder, and genocide. Both islam and judiaism do this regularly. All other religions do as well.

Not all religious people are extremists, but they do support extremist hate religions.

"But I don't support the hate parts of my religion that are clearly printed in my holy hate book". Yeah, right. Fuck religions and those that support them.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

What a load of bigoted bullshit.

There is about 2 billion Christians in the world and 1.8 billion Muslims. If they were to "support extremist hate" like you describe it, we would be at a global war that would dwarf any war before it.

Meanwhile people who are outspoken Anti-theists, often support the most vile supremacism, combining their belief of intellectual supremacism with beliefs of racial, cultural, ableist or other ideas of supremacism and subsequently justify bigoted violence including genocide. This also holds true for Zionism that for its longest time was a secular movement that faced heavy criticism by religious Jews and took a long time to create its warped understanding of Judaism in service of its imperialist ideology.

Of course it is convenient to blame imperialist violence on religion so as to distract from the imperialist and racist violence in your own ideology. This is also why some of the staunchest anti-theists are big supporters of US Fascism under Trump, willing to work together with the Evangelicals as the main goal is Fascism.

[–] minibyte@sh.itjust.works 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Anti-theists, often support the most vile supremacism

Wrong. Meanwhile “Yahweh was an ancient Semitic deity of weather and war”. The flaws we see in others are often the flaws we see in ourselves.

[–] Naich@lemmings.world 35 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Saying that critcism of Israel is antisemitic is echoing the view of bigots that antisemitism is a legitimate response to protest the actions of Israel. Nice to see that Israel and antisemitic bigots agree on something.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago

Unfortunately this type of logical fallacy is used across the political spectrum. It’s an easy defense that makes people feel justified without having to do any critical thinking.

You don’t like something about my beliefs? You’re a bigot.

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 2 points 22 hours ago

Incitement to kill is not criticism.

[–] DreamAccountant@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

Every "anti-semitic" and "islamophobia" is just stealth blasphemy laws trying to control what you can and can't say about religion.

"You can't talk bad about my religion or I'll kill you" is the standard response of all religions. If they can't kill you, they'll use every means possible to silence you. Legal or not. It's been going on for thousands of years amongst thousands of religions.

Fuck religions and those that support them.

[–] anothermember@feddit.uk 8 points 22 hours ago

That's not the argument here, actual antisemitism (which this is not) is still unacceptable prejudice against a people and not "stealth blasphemy laws", this has nothing to do with religion.

[–] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The UK needs a new chief rabbi. Justifying sucking Bibi's cock with Zionism isn't a legitimate religion.

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

The UK needs no chief rabbi. Why does the UK have a chief rabbi?

[–] zarathustra0@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is like having the President of a sports association or any other community tbh.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Most organized religions have a heirarchical structure based around regions. This is the norm.

[–] DreamAccountant@lemmy.world 5 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Every cult needs a leader. Without a cult leader, people just make up their own religious bullshit. With a cult leader, the religious bullshit is still completely incoherent, but only coming from one source.

They should be held completely responsible for their religious lies.

Which religion? All of them. Fuck religions and those that support them.

[–] adespoton@lemmy.ca -1 points 20 hours ago

All religions, or just officially recognized ones?

Because there’s plenty of modern religions out there that claim to be anti-religion. Groupthink hiding behind ideologies that are fine in and of themselves, but twisted to keep people in line.

The problem isn’t religion; it’s people.

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The same reason it needs an Archbishop of Westminster, who is in charge of catholicism in england & wales.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Nichols#Archbishop_of_Westminster

[–] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

Don't need that one either but it's there.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago

I'd replace him with a rabbit.

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 33 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

By this logic the rabbi seems to be saying something horribly antisemitic doesn't he? Because if all Jews are represented by the IDF, and the IDF murders children with Glee, isn't that saying that all Jews are baby killers? Cuz that's something I've heard antisemitic people say before. Now I guess it includes this rabbi.

Saying antizionism=antisemitism is saying genocide is a core part of Judaism. and I don't think you can say anything more antisemitic

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 29 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

It wasn't though, was it. The IDF are not Jews in general; they are multi-ethnic and are the armed forces of a country at war. Would a chant of "death to the Russian Armed Forces" be Russophobic? "Death to the Wehrmacht" for anti-German during World War 2? "Death to Hamas" for Islamophobia?

Identification of the armed forces of a state with a state is a sign of fascism, and the identification of the state with an ethnic group is a sign of extreme nationalism - though admittedly that is less the case with Israel and Jewish people.

Chanting "death, death to the IDF" is violent and inappropriate at a music festival. "Fuck the IDF" would've been fine though.

[–] PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Chanting "death, death to the IDF" is violent and inappropriate at a music festival. "Fuck the IDF" would've been fine though.

No it's not. Mass music festivals are perfectly acceptable places to make political statements. This has been done for generations now, i.e. Rage Against the Machine.

And when we say "Death, death to the IDF", we are accurately talking about the IDF like the monsters they are. For a scathing rebuke of respectability politics, I defer to this essay:

I am so fucking mad, sad, angry, and enraged at the actions of the elite and the hateful reality they’ve structured; that the only honest way to express my emotions is to wave a giant neon hatecock in the face of these hypocritical lying shitmongers. I don’t care if they hear me – they would never care, even if I was “respectable.” But they can’t fucking ignore me. They can’t fucking look away. They can only shake their head and claim, ever more shrilly as our world spirals deeper into shit, that “You’ll never convince a moderate with that language!” Fuck you. I don’t want to convince moderates. I want to fucking change shit. I want to inspire people, to get them angry. And if that offends you, if my anger, my emotions, my rage at getting fucked over, over and over and over again, bothers you? Take a step back, and think about what you truly value. Is it the messenger? Or the message?

[–] FishFace@lemmy.world 1 points 30 minutes ago

Mass music festivals are perfectly acceptable places to make political statements.

I didn't say anything about political statements, I mentioned violent statements. There is a big difference between wishing death on people and expressing your disapproval with them, and anyone who can't express the latter without the former should, generally, expect to be censured (and censored). The angry person you quote doesn't even express violence.

[–] Grumpyleb@lemmus.org 19 points 1 day ago

No it wasn't, fuck every zionist and every person who thinks what Israel is doing is ok. **** **** to the IDF!

[–] rumimevlevi@lemmings.world 14 points 1 day ago

Death to the idf the occupying force who is comiting a genocide

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

Streisand Effect yet again. Never knew of Bob Vylan before. Funny that all the protestations to his very clear message have only spread it further. Truth will not be silent.

[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 7 points 1 hour ago

Saying the IDF are murderers is not antisemitism it's the truth. Equating the IDF with all Jews is antisemitism. So who's the antisemite here?

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

But they complained about liberal media...am I to believe it was all a lie‽

[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 hours ago

This is the same guy who convicted a Viner for teaching his gf’s dog to sieg heil, right?

[–] AmidFuror@fedia.io 0 points 19 hours ago

Is Bob Vylan's name intentionally based on Bob Dylan and meant to rhyme with it?

[–] DreamAccountant@lemmy.world -4 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, the religions are ramping up their hate speech. So what do you do? Let them keep at it until there's blood in the streets?

Nope. You arrest the priests inciting religious terror.

It's that simple. Stop protecting people inciting religious hatred openly because they're part of this or that religion.

Fuck religions are those that support them.

[–] Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 hours ago

The IDF is a terrorist organization, not a religion. Not that being a religion would make them exempt. Hope this helps!