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I agree, unfortunately. If these people aren’t going to properly identify themselves & instead drive around in unmarked cars with masks on, what makes them any different than a criminal? How do we know they aren’t criminals? If a criminal mimics this behavior, what’s to stop them?
These current tactics are shadowy & undermining rule of law (nevermind the behavior much farther up the chain). There has to be some way to validate this as state activity. Otherwise, we’ll get more copy cat criminals where the public can’t provide any meaningful facts.
what makes them any different than a criminal?
Given that they're committing crimes, they literally ARE criminals. Abducting people without due process is kidnapping no matter who you are.
Why unfortunately?
If I were to use unfortunately in this context, I would say, "unfortunately the abductors were not gunned down on the spot."
Thats the only way I could think to use that appropriately here.
That's when California started restricting firearms so heavily, under Republican leadership at the time.
The Republicans love to talk about CA gun restrictions, and conveniently leave out that they started it specifically to undermine citizens expressing their 2nd amendment rights in the state.
Don't forget the NRA supported such gun control
Here's a good thing to remember, Nazis are in control. Arm yourselves.
Do it before you can't.
Later Tuesday, officers told CBS News Los Angeles that they were called to the area after receiving a 911 call reporting a kidnapping at the location. When they arrived, they say that they saw that a federal immigration operation was underway and stayed to maintain peace because they were concerned by the growing crowd and the federal agents.
remember, calling the police won't save you or someone else from being abducted, they'll just "keep the peace" (read: keep any bystanders from saving you) while you are.
For months, masked individuals with no police agency markings have been leaping out of unmarked vehicles that have no licence plates, refusing to identify themselves in any way, then kidnapping people off of the streets; and not one of them has faced any true resistance.
What the fucked has happened to America. Is "hey don't do that", really all you've got???
Eventually, they will hit a citizen carrying. Until then, they won't stop.
I'm in Texas and I'm really shocked it hasn't happened yet.
I recon they're doing this in California because California has such strict gun laws
Thanks to Elon, they do have records of all FOID cards. This probably plays a role in arrests already.
Even then, they won't stop, they'll play the victim after shooting the guy. If you shoot back, even if you didn't know they were police or federal agents you'll still get prosecuted.
I do have to say, they've faced resistance from the people, but they have not faced consequences from the only people that can give it to them.
Not trying to dig on you, but nuance is important.
Someone is going to shoot an ICE "officer" before summer's over
One can only hope.
I bet you anything it's already happened, but they're not willing to report on it, similar to how they thought they could demonize the justice that happened to that fucker from United healthcare.
How long before somebody lights these fuckers up?
Ask any MAGA citizen what they would do if the feds came to illegally ship them or their loved ones to some random 3rd world country, but see how quickly they'll call you a terrorist for doing the same
You can ask a MAGA person almost anything and get a "I'm a hardass" type answer. However, the reality is many are cowardly little shits.
This lady was the second person arrested by them during this timeframe. The first person, a guy who was apparently defending a tamale street vendor, might have also been a US citizen.
I presume they’re all U.S. citizens until proven otherwise in court.
That's how it should be.
Of course it’s another pretty young woman. These people are just human traffickers, not law enforcement.
Didn't Biden deport over 4 million without needing gestapo tactics? It's clear that even the deportations aren't really the main goal, it's fear and repression of the population.
And it's being reported that Trump is even deporting people at a lower rate compared to Biden, which is very telling when you consider how little attention this was getting with Biden.
The police are traitors to America, and should be considered ICE collaborators at Nuremberg.
What if this wasn’t ICE, but human traffickers? Is there even a difference these days?
Nope.
I get that I’m no longer with the lingo, but “disappearing someone” sounds off. Same with “unaliving someone,” but I get trying to get around online filters. Is there something wrong with saying “kidnapped” or “abducted”?
"Disappearing someone" goes back a ways. It's more than kidnapping or abduction because it is an action taken by authoritarian regimes to not just kidnap someone but, generally make it nearly impossible to locate them, often with torture and/or murder and ensuring that the body isn't found. The goal is to terrorize the populace by making dissidents and others in targeted populations disappear without a trace, effectively erasing them from their communities. This is coupled with tacit refusal of anyone in government that is supposed to help to get involved.
ICE is openly committing terrorist acts in the exact same way that the gestapo and stasi did.
Yep, CIA backed regimes would fly people out over the ocean and drop them out of the helicopter. The family would never know what happened to them.
I've seen it explained elsewhere and it makes sense to me. Kidnapping usually implies a person being taken with the intention of negotiating for their release, where disappeared is more often associated with avoidance of giving any substantial information to a party seeking their return.
An inquiry was also made asking how agents check a person's status when they first come into contact, and how they find the people they're targeting in enforcement operations.
Yeah if you can't answer this question within 4 months of this shit, it might be a good time to report the only other option. But no, let's keep giving them the benefit of the doubt in the media.
Do not forget, anyone working any police job is an enemy, and anyone reporting on it unfaithfully is also the enemy.
If you are standing by watching as the gestapo commits genocide, you are aiding the gestapo. Think about that when it's your turn to be a bystander.
I keep looking for the helpers, as Mr Rogers said to do, but I’m not seeing much help.
I put up signs at least. I try to leave zines and literature and argue with people online.
I know there is more to be done, but I don’t know. I hope that there is some justice done, and that I am doing enough.
If you don't see the helpers, you need to be the helper. The bystander effect is a real thing.
I’m genuinely trying. I have a very specific mission I’ve been working on for a year. There has been no success. There is no support. I need community, I need to see others doing the same.
I have done everything short of violence, and I cannot do violence.
The one good thing about this administration is that the cancer has been drawn out like the poison from a wound. Now, everyone can see it. This problem has been festering like a wound since the enactment of Civil Rights laws. But it has been burried. It was there. It always was. Just out of sight, thus out of mind. Look around everyone. Look at who is doing this. Never forget, and never forgive.
Remember. Shoot first. Determine whether they were ICE or human traffickers later since they didn't provide identification.
Actually, ICE are human traffickers considering we know, as a fact, that they've kidnapped actual American citizens.
So yeah, just shoot.
Yeah sorry I genuinely don't understand the people saying call 911 as some form of protest or help for the victim like the cops aren't gonna show up to support the white dudes totallyinsisting they should be there. The best you accomplish is making a dispatchers job more difficult and they are the real first responders, worst is clogging lines for an actual emergency.
TLDR:
Andrea Velez, a U.S. citizen and Cal Poly Pomona graduate, was violently detained by plainclothes federal agents in downtown Los Angeles while heading to work. Witnesses say officers in unmarked cars, without ID, tackled her without checking identification. Her family believes she was targeted due to her Hispanic appearance and fears retaliation, as her mother is a non-citizen resident. LAPD claimed they responded to a "kidnapping" call but later admitted it was an immigration operation. Velez’s whereabouts remain unknown, sparking outrage over racial profiling and unchecked enforcement.
TLDR, but for real this time:
Nazis kidnapped a U.S. citizen, then cops continued to be the worst people on the planet, and no one in power did anything to stop it.
If you're gonna TLDR, really get into the meat of it.
Our ICE officers are now facing a 500 percent increase in assaults against them while they carry out enforcement operations
Those are rookie numbers.
Ok... time to start (legally) carrying a firearm every time I leave the house ATGATT
This is what happens when you don't follow Stranger Danger. Any stranger could try to abduct you at any time, so you must be prepared.