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[–] remon@ani.social 85 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Same as with every other social media ... the people.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not your friend, buddy!

[–] remon@ani.social 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)
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[–] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 59 points 1 day ago (3 children)

lemmy.ml and its admins being the developers at the same time.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 46 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

I don't think that in itself if the problem. anyone can host an instance. The problem is lemmy.ml being the apparent default instance, advertising itself as an instance for privacy and FOSS enthusiasts, and not mentioning seemingly anywhere in the description/rules that only red flavour authoritarian dogma is allowed in political discussion.

"America bad, therefore former 'communist' russia and current 'communist' china good."

Edit: it's not featured as prominently as it used to be on join-lemmy.org so things may be improving. they should still mention in the description that western viewpoints on many issues are not allowed due to "rule 1"

[–] nebulaone@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I realized .ml was fucking insane and delusional when they glorified Stalin and refused to recognize the atrocities he committed.

No matter what your political stance is, as soon as you deny negative facts and exclusively push the "positives" it becomes a problem and may radicalize you (if that isn't already the case).

What happened to nuanced moderate politics? It seems people unconditionally put the "left" or "right" label on themselves. And ironically these blind followers will have the audacity to call anyone close to the political center, or people who are honest with themselves, cowards.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 20 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, well the guy who runs it is a notorious tankie.

You either tow the pro stalinist line or you are punished

[–] nebulaone@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

I was on .ml first after leaving reddit, because I didn't know this was the case, until I called out straight up state propaganda and defended capitalism with social and ethical policies once. You can imagine how they responded to that.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

yea I visited the instance index some time ago because I had to pick a replacement for lemm.ee (rip in peace), saw the description under lemmy.ml and wondered whether they were being intentionally or accidentally misleading.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 12 points 1 day ago

They certainly mislead me. My first year or so was on lemmy.ml @PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml

After repeated bans i decided to move to a more relaxed instance. i still interact with lemmy.ml because some of the bigger open source communities are there, but .ml admins now cannot block me from accessing the full lemmyverse, only their diminishing corner of it

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[–] SupraMario@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Lemmy.ml needs to be defederated from all other instances. It's literally an extremist instance of hate and bigotry.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 53 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Niche communities. Large spaces are built of small niche interest groups. The tooling around small spaces needs to be first class if we want the larger space to be healthy

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[–] ter_maxima@jlai.lu 50 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Not enough people for even slightly niche communities. Wanna talk about smash brothers ? 732 people, only 2 posts in the last month.

This is why people still use reddit on the side.

[–] bampop@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is exactly why I don't use Reddit on the side. When I run out of content on Lemmy, there's no choice but to do something productive instead. Had to go 100% cold turkey on Reddit to make that work though.

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

The lemmy.ml instance not being treated the same as the rest of the Triad in regards to defederation

Some highlights from the link:

"Don't worry guys, the Uyghur Genocide was REALLY just birth control! ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/30580167

"See! nobody died IN Tiananmen Square, just AROUND it, so it doesn't count!!" ~ Davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/30673342

.ml admin, Nutomics continued transphobia https://lemmy.world/post/29222558

CW: Original transphobic Comment from Nutomic
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"NK is actually good and anything counter to that is Western propaganda!" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/31595035

General negative sentiment to other instances who haven't "seen the way" yet ~davel, .ml admin https://lemmy.world/post/27426510

"If you don't support Russia then you just don't understand geopolitics" ~dessalines, .ml admin, dev https://lemmy.world/post/27352415

And a long list of bans/censorship and allowing the proliferation of known propaganda and misinformation outlets clearly demonstrating use of their instance and recognition to force a political narrative

[–] Mearuu@kbin.melroy.org 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I am currently working on a report on vote manipulation and the early results are showing clear signs of the some most prolific .ml accounts participating in brigading and vote manipulation.

I can't count the number of times I made a comment way deep in a chain that conflicts with .ml dogma, and after the first downvote, there are suddenly 5 more within minutes

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[–] intelisense@lemm.ee 38 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Duplicate communities posting the same content over and over again.

Communities are tied to an instance. How many communities will die because lemm.ee is shutting down? There is a slightly mad rush to migrate communities already.

Lemmy should have used usent style naming for communities.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think there is a feature request to allow communities to subscribe to other communities so that their posts and comments are synced.

[–] intelisense@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago

Great, so the duplication happens automatically! This is solving the wrong problem, IMHO...

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 33 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Onboarding. I think it'll be better if people promoted individual instances instead of Lemmy as a whole. As a whole, it seems vague.

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[–] 6nk06@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The lack of content compared to reddit. If you look at !learn_programming@programming.dev for example, there is only one post this week, and 4 posts this month. How is it that, with all the web developers and AI vibe coding shit, no one is actually asking questions?

When I was on reddit, I had to hide posts because there were 10 or 20 interesting questions every day.

[–] Nosavingthrow@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

It's a negative feedback loop. There is a good chance programmers asking questions NEED the answer (homework, work-work) so they don't risk asking in low pop forums, making the forum low pop because there are no questions.

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[–] Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 21 points 1 day ago (18 children)

It’s just as much a left-wing echo chamber as Truth Social is a right-wing one - and that’s a problem in both cases. Some might say it’s fine because we’re on the right side of history and they’re not, or something along those lines - but the people on Truth Social think the exact same thing. No one’s views ever change that way.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The right wing instances are just defederated from this larger federated group because the people on them were unable to follow the rules of other instances. Repeatedly, they would throw tantrums and create loads of dupe accounts to spam shit when people downvoted their shitty views or their accounts got banned. If they were capable of behaving with civility and following the rules, they'd still be here.

No idea how active that corner of the Lemmyverse is these days, but they have repeatedly chosen to behave in a way that leaves instance administrators with little choice other than defederation.

I don't think there is such a thing as a left wing echo chamber. We bicker incessantly. The other day I was making a joke at the expense of the car-brain mentality and someone came at me for ableism.

I'm not mad at them, it's just illustrative of my point. We don't take shit from each other, and we take each other to task over jokes. The right will, meanwhile, forgive literal pedophilia, rape, and murder of each other. I'm sure as hell not saying we should, but we will never create an echo chamber as good as they do because of that.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 day ago (8 children)

There is also a dearth of cannibalistic viewpoints here. And Zoroastrians are woefully underrepresented.

I don't come here to change my views (though it happens from time to time), and neither do they. I'm not ignorant of their thoughts; I'm inundated with them every day. I don't need to interact with assholes here. I don't want to come here and watch people scream back and forth at each other, and I definitely am not interested in participating—there is a reason I've left other social media.

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[–] zaphod@sopuli.xyz 19 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I think the main problem is that there isn't much besides politics and memes. Most communities that aren't politics seem to devolve into meme communities.

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[–] galoisghost@aussie.zone 15 points 1 day ago (30 children)

The problem is the right no longer argue their points in good faith.

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[–] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Some might say it’s fine because we’re on the right side of history and they’re not, or something along those lines

I say it's fine because if there's one thing I've learned repeatedly since about 2017, it's that the single most effective thing I can do to reduce toxicity in my life is to reduce my interactions with conservative family members, coworkers, 'friends', and social media accounts.

It's remarkably effective. I interact with no conservative or known trump voter more than work or family obligations require. Haven't for years. Best mental health step I've taken in my adult life.

Not my fault they have all forgotten that "loudest asshole in the room" isn't a personality.

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[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Issues that would be solved by time/gaining more users

  • Not nearly enough people to cover all the niche interest communities that Reddit does. At Reddit you find an expert on almost any topic to help you with your problems and you'll find information on pretty much anything. Lemmy isn't there yet.
  • Not nearly enough history. A lot of content is still good and informative after many years. Lemmy doesn't have a library of old-but-still-relevant content to search.

Issues independent of user count

  • Search sucks. Reddit's search does too, but reddit is easily searchable via Google. Lemmy isn't.
  • Onboarding is difficult, because you have to choose an instance, which is hugely important, but a newcomer has no idea what makes/is a good community to join

Issues that get worse with more users (aka, the potentially deal-breaking issues)

  • Lemmy scales terribly. Every larger instance needs to retain a copy of pretty much all other content out there, and each comment/like/delete/update/... needs to be propagated to every other major instance out there. Adding more instances thus increases complexity and cost instead of decreasing it. Running a major lemmy instance is already prohibitively expensive now, with just about 50k monthly active users. If Lemmy was to scale to Reddit numbers (1.1 billion monthly active users, roughly 22 000x the number of users), everything would just break down.
  • Moderation work scales just as terribly. Not only does an admin need to make sure the communities on their instance are moderated, but they also need to moderate all other communities on all other instances.
  • Related to the last point, there's some legal issues as well if an admin doesn't moderate all other instances. Since content is copied from other instances to your instance, illegal content (e.g. illegal pornography, copyrighted works, ...) are also copied to your own server without your active participation. That makes it legally mandatory to moderate all other communities.
  • Legal pitfalls in general. If lemmy becomes sizeable enough, all sorts of laws in regards to social media platforms will apply. That's one thing if the social media platform is run by a huge corporation with a legal department, but it's an entirely different story for a tiny group of non-profit idealists running the social media platform.
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[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

As everyone has pointed out, people and content. Its good in some ways since not every post is drowned out with one thousand replies nobody will ever see, but at the same time, you're not getting much of anything at all sometimes. Not even very niche ones either. Even groups that represent entire states has limited info or replies still. If it can grow to that size and see some more unique and local content more I think even that would be a much better place for it to be.

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[–] NonFamousHistorian@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The same issue Bluesky and other app-killer platforms have/had at the start: momentum. Momentum explains everything else. If you leave out the vapid content on Reddit, it's still the premier place for asking questions and getting them answered by enthusiastic amateurs or actual experts in the field. The moment Lemmy gets the same quality tech support and DIY responses, it will have its place. Or, like with Bluesky, Reddit needs to become as alienating and disgusting as X became after the Elon takeover.

[–] myrmidex@belgae.social 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's the beauty about Lemmy, it's not too reliant on momentum as it doesn't need graphs to go up at all times. The fediverse will always be a refuge when other platforms crumble. We'll just have to be patient and make sure the platform and the communities are as good as they can be at that point in time.

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[–] redsunrise@programming.dev 17 points 1 day ago

The lack of continuous and backlogged content. For some this is a benefit because it gives them a reason to stop scrolling, but for others who come here to look for answers, find entertainment, or anonymously voice their opinions, this can be something of a downside.

Of course this platform is as anonymous as you make it, but I've seen some people say they refrain from commenting more often because they don't want to be known as a regular, instead wanting to "blend in to the crowd" as one would on more populous sites like Reddit or Twitter.

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Nice communities. Also, attempts at niche communities not getting dogpiled by everyone else (no, “this administration” really doesn’t have anything to do with the pedestrianisation of Norwich city centre.)

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

User volume and diversity is probably the main thing right now.

We just need more people posing shit, the fact that one or two users can dominate my feed if they choose to is not ideal. (Though often I appreciate the content anyway)

The diversity aspect is around how we have a lot of people in a small handful of demographics on here. It's getting better every day, but the thing that made Reddit great before they ruined it was everything you could think of had a community of people posing stuff about it, doesn't matter how niche.

One leads to the other though, more users naturally will mean increasingly diverse interests in our userbase.

It's about time Reddit fucked something else up anyway, it's been a few months

[–] hexonxonx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Trying to be a Reddit clone.

Reddit was shit to begin with. It was a dumbed down forum site for people who found sites like Plastic or Kuro5hin too intimidating or complicated(!).

Slashdot-style upvoting would instantly solve a lot of "Reddit"-type problems, because instead of just good/bad, or like/dislike, the reason for the vote is noted, such as "insightful", "funny", etc., and you can then filter and sort comments much easier. Just filtering out "funny" comments saved soooooooo much time.

Another thing: Why don't creators of threads have the option to admin their own threads? It's their thread! It wouldn't be appropriate for discussion threads (for obvious reasons), but for interpersonal posts and questions, it makes perfect sense for the creator to be able to have control over what appears in the thread to keep it on topic and the trolls at bay. It's pretty rare to see a post where someone asks a question that doesn't quickly devolve into an offtopic mess, and the creator is usually attacked for trying to bring it back on topic. This has made Reddit useless for question-answering (and besides, the most upvoted answer is almost always wrong.)

Is the purpose of these forums to enable authentic conversation, or just to farm content regardless of quality (to be sold to AI companies, presumably)?

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[–] selkiesidhe@lemm.ee 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I have trouble finding um what are they called here... Communities?... for the subjects I'm interested in. When I search, all I find is old posts or unrelated posts.

That's my biggest problem

[–] Blaze@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

FYI, your instance is shuttting down soon: https://lemm.ee/post/67603898

To find communities, !communitypromo@lemmy.ca is usually a good place

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It’s too difficult to block huge swaths of things you’re not interested in. Like sports, or memes, or music. You block one community and 99 more about the same subject appear in your feed.

Adding some sort of Usenet-style organization or sublemmy tagging might help.

[–] myrmidex@belgae.social 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You could just use the Subscribe feed, no?

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[–] FuckFascism@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago

The tankies

[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
  1. Not enough people.

  2. People here are way bigger smug assholes than even Reddit.

  3. Sense of invulnerability and mod neglegence just because Lemmy is defederated. People naively think that makes it invulnerable to similar issues as Reddit (like toxicity/hivemind/bad modding.)

Back in 2023 I joined Lemmy because Reddit got rid of 3rd party apps. At first I was extremely impressed with the content here. While the community was small, meme channels were hilarious and had fantastic content. Same with the nsfw communities. However, now all the communities are filled with AI slop, political ragebait posting, onlyfans subsciption bait posts, and various other trash. So as far as I'm concerned Lemmy seems to be circling the drain. I can't in good faith tell anyone I know to switch to Lemmy. If a friend were to ask me "hey man, how's Lemmy?" My honest answer would be that it kinda fucking sucks.

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