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[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 58 points 2 weeks ago

So. Stop the citizen charges.

Go target every company over 50 workers.

Make them pay. Suddenly we've saved a magnitude more

Puff prices like this putting the onus on citizens

It's corps and government.

[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They do this since one year locally and it really feels like your municipality hates you. And I hate it too. Sometimes the garbage can is not opening, but it has already scanned your waste-card. That's a very expensive empty can. You think I want to call to dispute the charges on my goshdarn garbage bag? Also, The price per bag is NOT mentioned on the can, only that it will cost ya money.

This system makes it so throwing your garbage from the window is the cheapest option. Which is what folks are doing now. If you make it hard or expensive to do it the right way, folks will do it the wrong way. (2,39 euro per 60L bag of garbage. If you only throw away 13 bags a year, you break even with last year's cost.)

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

That sounds like a different system than the article is talking about. People were driving their trash to the dump for a flat rate:

Under the town’s system, residents would buy a $240 sticker for their cars that allowed them yearlong access to the dump, where they could dispose of as much garbage as they wished.

So why would you go to the dump with an empty can or leave the dump without your garbage being taken?

I've had a similar system for years and I don't see it as that unfair (given I don't have a lot of financial troubles). Every week they empty my bin for a flat rate and if I have more than what fits into the bin I get an extra charge.

[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They were charging a flat rate ($240/year) for households to buy a sticker to dispose of as much waste as they wanted. The town was losing money and was concerned about doubling the annual price, as it would disproportionately affect low-income and smaller households, so they started charging $65/year plus per-bag of trash. This lead to a decrease in the amount of trash being discarded so that their municipal refuse program is now breaking even instead of losing something like $65k/year, and it costs smaller households significantly less than if they had doubled the all-you-can-discard sticker.

That's my summary, but the full article is a quick read and contains some interesting details.

(Edit: corrected a typo)

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's called putting the responsibilities of corporate onto citizens.

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How is a corporation responsible for my household trash?

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Where do you think all the real ecological damage and cost is coming from? Your taxes paid the subsidies of these businesses who get breaks on their trash, causing this issue.

But we should pay more. Got it

[–] IamSparticles@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You very clearly didn't read the story. Most households are paying LESS than they were when they were allowed to discard unlimited trash for a flat rate. Hopefully because they are being encouraged to recycle more and produce less waste, rather than just dumping it on the side of the road. It's a simple case of demand elasticity in response to a pricing-structure change. If people can save money by throwing away less stuff, they throw away less stuff.

I agree that corporations should pay their share to handle their own cleanup, but I don't see any direct link between that and household waste disposal, or any indication from this story that corporations are getting any breaks. It's a very small township in rural Massachusetts. They don't even have municipal trash collection. People have to take their own trash to the transfer station/landfill.

[–] thedruid@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I read it. You're missing my point, which isn't your fault. I'm clearly not explaining myself correctly, and frankly. I'm too tired to try again, so I bow out.

Good evening