You shouldn't have to have it happen to you before you realize the impact it has on others, but that's what we're up against.
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Empathy takes a little thought and many people just can't think.
I once saw it described on Lemmy that Conservatives have sympathy but no empathy.
I saw a Ted talk that talked about inability to entertain the hypothetical. Some people are simply unable to entertain the hypothetical "what if my wife is deported', they can only recognize it when it becomes "my wife is being deported ".
I've heard that some people have difficulty with hypotheticals in general. not just on political issues, like it's a surprisingly common cognitive issue.
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From the article I don’t get a sense he is at all questioning his vote. He feels his case is special and the government messed up. For him. She’s vetted, so it’s ok. The others deserve what they are getting.
Yep. Brackets by me:
[Him and his wife] have been thinking a lot about [his] vote for Trump.
"I knew they were cracking down," he said. "I guess I didn’t know how it was going down."
He imagined the administration would target people who snuck over the border and weren't vetted
But his wife, "they know who she is and where she came from," he said. "They need to get the vetting done and not keep these people locked up. It doesn’t make any sense."
The dumbfuck doesn't show any contrition at all, he just says oops I didn't know. When this topic came up in the interview, he didn't admit any regret or that he put himself (and his wife) in this position - he just says that the government is wrong to do this to him/his wife, and that they should go after other illegals instead. What a piece of shit.
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My sister in law's family are all El Salvadorian refugees in Houston. Everyone under 50 are citizens now, but las abuelitas are not. They were all massive Trump supporters hoping that he will kick out "all the illegals" but are convinced that their grandparents wont be deported, and that they might be able to bring in more family.
Juxtapose that to my family, where my English mom was naturalized 20 years ago after coming to the US on a green card. My family have always been pro-immigrarion since we would never dream of denying someone the same opportunity that we were given. We are all ao flabbergasted by it, but they all love Bukele as well, so i guess it shouldn't be a surprise.
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I pity Madam but I have little sympathy for Sir.
I have little sympathy for Madame. She travelled ~~out of the country~~ to Puerto Rico for her honeymoon, knowing she overstayed on her visa. Given what had happened in the weeks leading up to them leaving the US last week, she really should have not gotten on that plane.
The reason I sympathize with Madam is the same reason I sympathize with most migrants: they're not doing it to hurt the country they migrate to, they're trying to have a shot at a better life. I totally get what you're saying but that doesn't make her a bad person.
Sir however is a dumbass: he did the very thing the guy he voted for said he would crack down on and now he's bitching and moaning... Well ya know, faces, leopards and all that.
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I honestly believe these idiots that voted for Trump somehow thought that they would be immune to his policies. He doesn't give a fuck about you.
I know it’s been getting a lot of mileage on Lemmy lately, but:
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.
- Wilholt’s Law
He figured he was in the first group, and since conservatives tend to think women are property, he figured her being with him put her in that group too. Whoops.
This is a really good read on these types of situations. He's a white guy and he thought that was enough. that means the rules don't apply to him. I think as we are trying to figure these people out we sometimes overcomplicate it and a lot of the times the reasons are really quite simple. Just like them.
All conservatives want this law to be reality, and they all want to be in the first group. When you look at it in that light, all their supposedly contradictory actions make sense.
It seems like most of the time the realization they come to is less ‘oh wow maybe this is bad actually’ and more ‘hey, you put me in the wrong group!’
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American exceptionalism
They thought by bending the knee to Trump, they would be exempt from his bullshit. You're 100% right here. He doesn't give a fuck about Americans, their families or the down troddened.
Trump only cares about Trump.
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Hold the fuck up, she was already OVERSTAYING her Visa and these idiots thought it was a good idea to TRAVEL? Nah they both got what they fucking deserved. It doesn't matter that you're awaiting your residency application, you have already passed your exit date, why the fuck would you be traveling for your honeymoon
Edit: I'm literally standing in the airport awaiting my fiance's return from Mexico right now, this shit makes all the people who actually read their paperwork and follow the rules, look bad when they get lumped in with these idiots.
Apparently she got stuck in the States when all the borders were closed during the pandemic, which seems pretty reasonable grounds for overstaying.
But - she didn't leave when the borders re-opened. She had fallen in love and at some point she filed paperwork to normalize her status - though they're pretty coy about when they filled the papers, so I suspect that was done after the borders re-opened and she should have left.
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I'm also going to point out what I haven't seen in any of the comments so far which is that, with ICE being pressured to increase the number of deportations, they're opting to go for low-hanging fruit. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean raiding places that they've known for decades are hiring illegal immigrants, arresting and prosecuting and imprisoning the owners and managers.
It does mean that they're hanging out at at least some airports, and it sounds like they're running passenger lists ahead of time (because they knew exactly who to approach). I mean, why to go the trouble of driving out to some farm or factory in the middle of nowhere, trying to chase down people who know the area better than you ever will, when you can sit at a comfy air-conditioned desk and only bother to get up when the computer lets you know that your "target" is trying to check in for their flight?
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Nobody deserves to be punished for arbitrary political boundaries.
That being said, it's satisfying to see the people supporting those boundaries get punished by them.
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"but... it shouldn't have affected ME, you know?"
Right because my situation is special. I’m special and these laws don’t apply to me. @shithead I’ve voted for you 3 times, please help rectify this mistake.
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Another dumbass who still hasn't figured it out.
Muñoz, from Peru, overstayed her visa ... Bartell, once supportive of stricter immigration policies, ...
"Supportive of stricter immigration policies," doesn't turn in his wife for violating existing immigration policies.
"I got mine", he thought.
An american woman wouldn't put up with his shit. My brother is unfortunately a trumper, and he got a foreign wife because she is the only woman that will put up with his shit that a normal woman would have walked out of years ago.
She slaves over him like a tradwife, raises his kids that isn't hers from the previous woman that walked away from his shit. But he's got joint custody.
I understand this is (hopefully) not how you meant it, but opposing “foreign wife” to “normal woman” is a rather unfortunate choice of words.
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"No, no, she's on of the good ones, not one of criminals, and she's with me."
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Good. I hope he's fucking devastated. I hope his entire world is fucking crumbling. Everyone with three working braincells or more knew exactly what would happen if we let the christonationalist fascists have total control of the government, and pieces of subhuman trash like him willingly made it happen.
I hate that as americans were so stupid we have to learn like this because we can't hear people out before it gets to this point.
Like I believe one of your founding father Benjamin Franklin said: "Experience holds a dear school, but fools learn from no other"
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Well that's what decades of destroying education will do
I had a Scottish chick in Edinburgh tell me that I was the only American she enjoyed talking to. I didn't realize just how poorly we were viewed overseas until I went myself.
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The more I see stories like this, the more I wonder if Americans can make it out of this hole they've dug. The average inhabitant seems... rather lacking, compared to other developed countries.
I disagree. People are dumb. Pick a country and I'm sure I can find shitty takes reported in the news. Hell, look at Brexit
Agreed. The thought that you're above the con, you could not fall for a grift, is the greatest thing a con man could hope for in a target.
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The money the couple saved for a down payment on a home has evaporated into attorneys fees and savings to pay a bond for her release, if she's given that chance.
There's a silver lining to this. Think about all the high quality white collar jobs (lawyers) that this is supporting. Way to stimulate the economy, Trumpers! /s
Maybe a controversial opinion but I don’t think anyone belongs in an ICE detention centre regardless of who their spouse voted for. I don’t think this is funny.
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Me when I read stories like this
FAFO vote for a clown don't complain it's turning into a crazy circus
Well, that was stupid wasn’t it
You won, get over it
"They're hurting the wrong people!!"
He didn't vote for Krasnov Trump, He voted for his wife to sit in an ICE detention center.
He should also be arrested for knowingly harbouring a foreigner who overstayed. As her sponsor, it was his responsibility to ensure she did not overstay.
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