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This is the language from the law that would permit the President to mobilize National Guard troops in a state without its Governor's consent.
Edited to add: found the law here, it's small and easy to read: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/USCODE-2011-title10/html/USCODE-2011-title10-subtitleE-partII-chap1211-sec12406.htm
If it is invoked, it says:
Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States
But I parse that "shall" to mean the Governor is forced to comply.
How long until he declares Martial Law?
I mean, this is technically exactly that, albeit in a much more limited scope.
The last time this was invoked was in 1965, during civil rights demonstrations in Alabama. But the Federal Government sent in the troops to protect the demonstrators from their local police.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/march-20/lbj-sends-federal-troops-to-alabama
This time it's the other way around.
Honestly one of the coolest moments in US history.
I feel like the destruction of the image of the United States is in full swing.
That's true. However, I'm afraid that the current regime is not only working to destroy the image of the United States, but to destroy what remains of democracy.
It seems that Drump and his henchmen will stop at nothing to establish a fascist state. I think the administration's actions as a whole point strongly in that direction.
Would be interesting if there is a way that people on the right actually join the left on this since this is the thing the right armed themselves for
The pattern I see is that most on "the right" here will not be able to break out of their disinformation bubble unless it affects them personally. So only the small portion who have seen someone they know ("one of the good ones") harassed by ICE will respond.
That's true. But I think we're closer than ever to that break. The instinct of people on the left is to always rub a dogs nose in shit after it craps on the carpet. But we all know there's better ways.
If people on the left create some bridges here and create awareness this could shift perspectives. There are lots of people on the right and left who will never be swayed on anything. But there's a lot of people who can be. Especially over this stuff.
It gets harder and harder for trumpets to support him and this could be a bridge to far. So many right wing people's core fear is Government doing this very thing. This might supersede their trump honeymoon
I'd love it if you were right, and this is what breaks Trump's stranglehold on the electorate. but the advantage Trump and his friends have is that they have no shame, and lie with impunity. Those lies are attractive. Even now, I am reading that Trump released a statement saying that the troops are quelling the unrest in LA, while the Mayor says no troops have arrived. Which do you think folks in the Conservative Cinematic Universe believe?
It's hard to break these folks out of their bubble when the side pushing the bubble can lie without consequences. Their opposition has the burden of logical consistency to overcome.
They won't.
All of their rhetoric is bullshit to obscure the fact that they hate brown people, queer people, people who aren't their religion, just anyone they're angry at, really.
It really is that simple.
They'll believe, to some extent, what they are saying, they'll tie themselves up in knots, but ultimately, they'll default to anything that allows them to laugh when people they think they are better than are made to suffer.
The few that manage to resolve the cognitive dissonance and realize they are in fact hateful bigots, and that... that is bad?
At that moment, they are no longer right wing.
since this is the thing the right armed themselves for
No it isn’t and it never was. That was the excuse they used to cover their gun fetish. They always saw themselves as the shock troops of the authoritarian takeover, and the fact that they are delighted it’s happening is confirmation.
our national guard and armed forces have a decision to make: us or them. this is your time to reject fascism.
Many who join lean conservative. Many are trump supporters. Don't forget the numbers that voted for him and continue to support him.
It's not going to be that easy.
Not really. The military is a lot more diverse than you probably realize. It's a big melting pot. So many stories of rural Americans raised in racist environments joining the military and being exposed to all kinds of people and realizing they grew up kind of fucked up.
Contrary to what the stereotype is. A lot of military people are pretty wise and worldly. Seeing different cultures and having to deal with the fallout of failed states. It's not like they're progressives or even Lefty's. But they're not MAGA or right either.
This is why they've been firing lots of officers as well. If nobody is aware, the trump government has been removing many many senior leadership in the military.
I think the move right now by the left is to build bridges for people on the right who have spent their life fearing this type of action. Need to leave open the possibility that there are people on the right who understand this isn't good. Obviously there's the trump zealots. But I bet there's a group of right wingers whose fear of government over reach supersedes support for Trump. Groups like the heritage foundation will increase not activity to suppress that mentally among them. But I think we'll start seeing them speak up if we listen.
You might be right, and I hope you are. But I'm also at least partially right too. There are far right conservatives in the military, many of them (even if not the majority, a big enough minority).
The main sentiment of my comment was people like us going about our day to day hoping the military will "do the right thing", effectively disobey orders maybe? Disobey the president? Isn't it ingrained into them to not do that?
Its not going to be that easy.
Microwave dispersal cannons can be blocked by a large poster covered in aluminum foil. Just be sure to attach it to a wood stake.
Sound cannons are loud enough to work through strong ear protection, but sound waves are still air pressure pulses. You can disrupt the flow of the pulse with a solid enough curved shield.
If necessary, storm matchs have their own oxidizer. You can light it and wind won't put it out. Styrofoam and gasoline is sticky. Use that information however you want
Do not use a belt to stop blood flow. Get some proper tournequtes (I don't remember how to spell it). Slide it on, and turn it until the bleed stops. If you think it's too tight, turn it some more.
Edit: most military vehicles are diesel fueled. They are pretty thirsty, so be sure to share water with them. Right in the fuel tank is good enough.
If you curve the aluminium foil somehow, you can actually refelct it back. They did tests on youtube where they used a flipped riot shield and it work.
Do not use a belt to stop blood flow. Get some proper tournequtes (I don’t remember how to spell it). Slide it on, and turn it until the bleed stops. If you think it’s too tight, turn it some more.
If you're worried about blood loss, there are some online resources for how to do first aid. I think https://www.stopthebleed.org/training/ was recommended last time this came up.
I read you need to be careful with tourniquets, because they're quite painful and if used inappropriately can cause long term damage. Used appropriately they can save a life, but you don't want them to be the first tool you reach for.
Calling it...Trump declares California to be in rebellion and suspends their votes in the electoral college and congress in the next elections.
So much other stuff will happen before then
So the trump administration is fully admitting that the insurrection attempting to block the certification of the Presidential election 2021 on Jan 6 was open rebellion?
They admit no such thing.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” - Frank Wilhoit (not the political scientist who passed away in 2010, a younger one who is alive still).
I know this is sarcasm but, sadly, they don't. I have talked to a few of them. Some either say it is patriot8c and others said it didn't happen.
You can't win
Holly shit. I hadn't seen that last image you posted before. I didn't realize the Jan 6 insurrectionist brought flexcuffs. That is quite disturbing. Who the fuck were they planing to kidnap or take hostage with those flexcuffs?
They were probably associated with the ones that built the gallows outside on the lawn. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jan-6-gallows-construction-new-video/
Oh this ia what they want. They are chomping at designating leftists as enemies of the state.
The government in general is crumbling and it's corrupt "leaders" will need to ramp up authoritarianism as the constituents begin to question it's legitimacy.
They'll make use of dissenters by putting them in work camps, easing the need for cheap labor, and allowing the remaining population a chance at hiding from their duty to protect constitutional rights by continuing to provide material comforts.
Isn't this the same as saying *the government is working against the will of it's populace"
Here we go. Buckle up and arm yourselves.
Time to make that a reality.
Exactly. No federal aid money? Fine, we won't pay federal taxes. Going to claim we're rebelling? Well, alright then.
Can California please just withhold taxes already and put this country out of its misery?
Sounds like it's going to be a violent summer. As soon as the first protestor gets injured or killed, this will start to spin out of control.
Protesters already have been getting injured to the point of hospitalizations.
L.A. County Supervisor Janice Hahn said:
"The ICE raids across Los Angeles today are chilling. They aren't targeting violent criminals - they are sweeping up hardworking people in our communities just trying to provide for their families. These agents are armed to the teeth and it is clear their goal is to make people afraid and it's working. I understand that during this morning's raids, SEIU California President David Huerta was injured by federal agents and wrongfully detained. I am calling for his immediate release. This is a democracy. People have a right to peacefully protest, to observe law enforcement activity, and to speak out against injustice."
Service Employees International Union California President David Huerta was injured and detained while documenting an immigration enforcement raid in downtown Los Angeles on Friday.
Huerta, 58, was treated at a hospital and then transferred to the Metropolitan Detention Center in downtown L.A.
“What happened to me is not about me; This is about something much bigger,” he said in a statement from the hospital. “This is about how we as a community stand together and resist the injustice that’s happening. Hard-working people, and members of our family and our community, are being treated like criminals. We all collectively have to object to this madness because this is not justice.”
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-06-07/immigration-raids-roil-l-a-what-you-need-to-know
A senior DHS spokesperson sent ABC7 a statement Friday, but did not directly address the investigations at both locations.
The statement said in part, "ICE is now following the law and placing these illegal aliens in expedited removal, as they always should have been."
If they have a valid credible fear claim, they will continue in immigration proceedings, but if no valid claim is found, aliens will be subject to a swift deportation."
The SEIU President David Huerta is literally the Union leader for the restaurants targeted by these raids.
"Expedited removal" means no due process. No judge. No justice. ICE rolled in with military vehicles, ~~arrested~~ kidnapped over a hundred people in a single day, and will send them all out of the country as fast as they can without any chance to defend themselves or prove they belong here.
They knew what would happen when they raided a city and rounded up people by the truckload. They knew it would spark protests, and in less than two days of unrest and zero dead anyone they're already sending in thousands of National Guard and talking about deploying the fucking Marines on US soil.
They wanted this violence, and they're making it happen. This won't just be in San Diego. This won't just be protests. There will be blood. Don't let them win.
ELI5, If Republicans in general don't want federal control, they want de-regulation, then why they are supporting federal control of California?
They are only against federal control when it's them who are being controlled. They are fine with it happening to other people. It's how they can claim to be pro freedom out of one side of their mouth and anti-freedom with the other. Laws for thee, none for me.
Hey national guard members, get the fuck out of the way or get steamrolled. You’re not heroes.
So is the red line crossed yet or is the goal post once again some indeterminate point in the future.
History won't tell the beginning of the Trump regime at that indeterminate point. It began when he rode down that piss yellow escalator.
" In addition, the Secretary of Defense may employ any other members of the regular Armed Forces as necessary to augment and support the protection of Federal functions and property in any number determined appropriate in his discretion." 100% illegal according to Posse Comitatus Act.
Deploying Marines, Space Force, Navy Army or Airforce in the US against the US is prohibited
Minor nitpick: national guard soldiers under title 32 is totally fine (the George Floyd protests), however that requires the state governor's approval. Trump bypassed that by putting them on title 10 orders which is active duty. Those are typically only for training or overseas deployment, and not for actual deployment within the US (though I think the south border mission may be an exception).
So, he's already violating the law, but also putting provisions to use active duty soldiers as well which is double against the law.
Right to freedoms of assembly and expression.
They need to chill.
And listen.
Well that’s scary holy shit this is definitely a step up on the fascism ladder
This is the beginning of a nation wide revolution, from the democrats, but the republicans are not sad about it because it push the public away. They forget, or look to California, that Trump is incompetent and they vote him. It would not be the first President, that call demonstrates criminals or revolutionary's and hunt them, to form a autocratic State.......
The Confederacy was in a state of rebellion too. He's equated standing up to ICE, which is seemingly similar to when the Bostonians stood up to and were massacred by the British, with the Confederate's bombing of Ft. Sumter.
I wonder now what my ex-housemate thinks of Trump. He is one of those centrist types who thinks excessive power from one side needs to be counteracted by the other, but mostly pay lip service to the right. He dislikes the right in his country which ruled for 13 years and voted centre left, but supports Trump and right wing parties in Europe because of too much immigration in the West. But at the same time, he supports Palestine. My ex-housemate means well for the most part, but he is one of those men who are vulnerable to disinformation.
