The growth in 2025 has been staggering, ngl. And this is the kind of thing which converts from a trickle to a tsunami very quickly. It never happens with one shock. But a consistent amount of enshittification shocks. Reddit's desperate struggle for profitability practically ensures those will keep happening, so this is all inevitable at this point. The only thing that is uncertain is whether digg can recapture the fleeing masses who are not cognizant of the dangers of corporate vc-backed enshittification yet, like bluesky did to Twitter.
this post was submitted on 14 Mar 2025
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But a consistent amount of enshittification shocks
I think the proper term is enshittification sharts
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The user growth we're seeomg could result in an overwhelming flood of users at anytime. Which is why people should consider supporting the lemmy devs and instance admins either financially or through contributions so that the lemmy software and infrastructure is ready to handle the growth.
And then in 5-10 years the users will destroy it like everything else on the Internet...
Seriously, though, make me wrong - because this kind of model is so new to me, I don't know, is there anything different about this that will resist it going the way of things that were once good and eventually weren't, like Craigslist and Reddit?
Obviously a lot of Reddit sucks due to how it's run, but let's not overlook that part of its downfall, like with Craigslist, is the users as it grew having no respect for the model. I've been on my way out since well before the API exodus (and yet I was addicted and too lazy until now, that's on me). People posting whatever they want wherever they want and having very little understanding of nuance in language ("oddly satisfying" doesn't just mean "I like this"), misusing downvoting (I know I'm yelling at clouds, but that was where Reddit was doomed from the start to become an echo chamber, and I didn't know if Lemmy is different in that respect - do votes determine visibility here?), moderators becoming more power hungry, and I'm sorry if this is mean, but the userbase trending younger steering content much more to "mah crush, aitah?," fake stories for "points," and I feel the general populace there being more gullible. Not to mention the same comments being made over and over, and I'm not talking about bots, I'm talking about constant "this is the way" and "username checks out."
I've seen so many actual discussions here already that are full of real passion and good points even when they're heated, some lovely user created and has posted around a really through socialist reading list. I've only seen "this is the way" once. Reddit is lazy one-word answers and downvotes. How do we encourage this and discourage that?
Anyway, I rant. This place is great now and will only get better as it grows, but I hope this model will in some way resist that downfall. But I've come to accept that nothing on the Internet is permanent. And also that people are gonna people and if I don't like that, it's on me to leave.
The difference is the way it is run. You got it. And if one day Midwest.social starts doing things you hate and treating it’s users like crap, then come on over to lemmy.world or lemmy.ca, or one if the other thousands instances.
People hosting the database are not the owners of the platform unlike Reddit. They get to tell us how we can use it just because they host the database.
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Yeah. Reddit is currently enshitifying in overdrive. They used to just do dumb features nobody wants, but now they are actively harming the base. The entire Luigi over-moderation this is just bad, and it feels like they want the formerly leftist site to go full maga now. and even if I do have to use it, the website often tends to not function properly these days, with the site constantly reloading, or voting functions to be broken. This is the year of lemmy.
I figured the planned paywalling of content was going to be the last straw for me, but then they gave me a fucking warning for upvoting. I made a Lemmy account the same day. Fuck them.
The paywall shit is still planned for this year afaik so be prepared to see more of Reddit heading this way.
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Worth noting is that what counts as an "active user" has changed between now and then. During the Reddit API exodus, an "active user" was a user who had posted or commented in the past month. Now, it includes users who have voted. If the 54k MAU record was set using the first algorithm, it is likely that the MAU using the new algorithm (which includes voting) would have been much higher.
Huzzah, us lurkers now count towards the global stats!
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Woo! That's awesome. I am seeing quite a few more people.
We are already successful, I'm seeing stories, news articles, and videos that normally would never get pushed to the top. We can actually talk about things without overwhelming censorship, strange algorithms, or ads.
We can actually talk about things without overwhelming censorship, strange algorithms, or ads.
Slow and steady wins the race. Also helps to not be shit. looking at reddit.
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It's so nice to see the servers are not crashing anymore this time around like how Lemmy.world did for me a few times back when I first joined in 2023 and I remember when the only app that was available on ios was just Wefwef before Memmy and Mlem came out of testflight. Today the apps are much more developed as we now have: 6 ios apps, 10 android apps, advanced search, moderator tools, user tags, in-app video playback, baby account indicator, advanced markdown editors, crossposting, watch support, expanded customizations, content filters, fediseer integration, side by side posts, alternate sources menu, song service integration, direct messages in app, gallery view, local sub count on communities, troll buster, user theme directory, open web post in app, gestures, media bias check, alt check and personal contribution stats.
Yes I remember the lemmy.world servers being DDOS'ed every couple of days and having to switch between 3 clients and the webinterface because all of the apps were missing some features. The alternative frontends like photon and tesseract have really improved and imo should be the new defaults.
Makes me happy to see it, a future for a platform that is not locked by a single large player. Instead, I can have my own profile that I actually own and do not “lend”.
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To anyone new wondering about phone apps for Lemmy, I use "Thunder" and it works great.
Also, feel free to say Luigi without getting banned.
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So by my math and some googling, that's about 0.00005% of Reddit's MAU.
On the one hand, cool, growth is growth.
On the other hand maybe it's... healthy to stop looking at Lemmy as an "alternative" to anything and start thinking about it as this small forum you like to use sometimes. Worked for me in the 90s, works for me now.
You're off by some orders of magnitude.
It's 0.005%
But that's based off of the 1.1 billion number I saw. Somehow I very much doubt there's 1.1 billion people with accounts who login and browse at least once a month.
Yeah, 1 bill with all the bots and alt accounts maybe.
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Reddit is calculating its MAU differently. They seem to be counting even not-logged-in users coming from search engines - without that numbers like "1 billion monthly active users" really don't make any sense and even that is a crazy metric, if you think about it. There is no way that 1/8 of humanity is browsing on Reddit in a month. Lemmy seems to count only users who are doing something (submitting, commenting, upvoting)
If they're doing that, it means they're counting unique IPs, which is a ridiculous metric. Even lemmy would have easily 10x the MAU with it.
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Totally, we don't want numbers for the sake of numbers. We need passionate people who are ready to ditch other mainstream ones for federated alternatives. Then only we can grow.
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Reddit is inflating its numbers by a wide margin.
A sub like https://old.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/ has 150k subscribers, but the activity definitely doesn't reflect that compared to !buyeuropean@feddit.uk and the 9k weekly active users
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The problem with (very) low user count is the more nieche things will not have activity.
Yep. Which ends up being why old forums were such tight-knit communities. You ended up hanging out with a handful of people. I'm mostly fine with that. If anything, it requires starting something yourself for your niche interests and being fine with it being dormant most of the time.
I think this is where lemmy/fediverse shines compared to reddit: you can have instances for niche things, yet be able to communicate with other instances. And each instance is free to have their own rules and (de)federate with others. Also the improved tools for searching/posting/modding of lemmy compared with old forums.
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The MAU of lemmy.world is ~18,600 which is a bit greater than the combined MAU of the next 7 instances (a big help here is lemm.ee which has ~7000 MAU). This is a really healthy spread of users and it means we don't lose lemmy if the biggest instance goes down.
Compare that to Mastodon, where mastodon.social has more MAU (~372,000) than the combined MAU of the next 30 instances at least (I gave up counting). Thats not healthy for the ecosystem. Though tbf the total MAU of mastodon is ~899,000 so without mastodon.social they will still have ~527,000 but it will be very spread out.
I don't think it's healthy enough but certainly better than the mastodon ecosystem
It's mostly because people keep recommending LW instead of other instances.
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I think the biggest instance, lemmy.world, not being operated by the Lemmy devs is also a good health indicator - on every other Fedi service I can think of, the server run by the devs is the biggest by far.
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I flipping love Lemmy.
I'll just say, the more I hang around Lemmy, the more I enjoy the genuine conversations. It feels like less snark, less joke replies, and just a generally more community-type feeling. Reminds me of when I first tried Reddit after leaving Digg way back when.
Hopefully, us exiles can leave the Reddit back at Reddit.
I find a bunch of snark here, but it absolutely feels more genuine. With reddit it felt like half the comments I saw were from bots. More than half, maybe.
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MAU? Mostly Anal Users? Martian Appalachian Upholstery? Mass Ass Underwear? Missing Alligator Utensils? Moldy Apple Uterus? Massive Arctic Uranus?
Monthly Average Users
as opposed to DAU (Daily) or WAU (Weekly)
For a live product, the number of average users / time is a pretty telling metric.
I wonder what the arc will look like this time.
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It's very exciting to see 48k MAU jump up to 55k in such a short time.
Currently using phtn.app for browsing lemmy, though it’s a bit buggy on mobile. V2 will be coming soon so hopefully most bugs will be fixed.
What y’all using?
Voyager on android, im perfectly happy with it.
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You know it's bad for Reddit when people were even talking about going back to Digg
Glad to be part of it!
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