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So by my math and some googling, that's about 0.00005% of Reddit's MAU.
On the one hand, cool, growth is growth.
On the other hand maybe it's... healthy to stop looking at Lemmy as an "alternative" to anything and start thinking about it as this small forum you like to use sometimes. Worked for me in the 90s, works for me now.
You're off by some orders of magnitude.
It's 0.005%
But that's based off of the 1.1 billion number I saw. Somehow I very much doubt there's 1.1 billion people with accounts who login and browse at least once a month.
Yeah, 1 bill with all the bots and alt accounts maybe.
In spez’s wildest jizz wet dreams there are 1 billion Reddit users.
Also never underestimate how many bots there are. And how many users have 10+ accounts. Seeing less evidence of that on Lemmy so far, though who knows honestly.
Reddit is calculating its MAU differently. They seem to be counting even not-logged-in users coming from search engines - without that numbers like "1 billion monthly active users" really don't make any sense and even that is a crazy metric, if you think about it. There is no way that 1/8 of humanity is browsing on Reddit in a month. Lemmy seems to count only users who are doing something (submitting, commenting, upvoting)
If they're doing that, it means they're counting unique IPs, which is a ridiculous metric. Even lemmy would have easily 10x the MAU with it.
Again, doesn't matter. There's data on logged in users and it's also many orders of magnitude larger than Fedi.
By most independent metrics Reddit has more visits than Netflix. Than Pornhub, while we're at it. It's one of the top ten most visited sites on the Internet, and by most accounts it's actually grown since the "exodus".
I don't use it and I do like it here, but the idea that Lemmy is somehow encroaching on it is absurd. And self-defeating, too. Lemmy and its satellites are very worthwhile for what they are... a gnat in the wind as a Reddit alternative. Better to measure them on their own merits.
Yeah, see my rant elsewhere in this comment section, but I personally do not desire Reddit 2.0. More users here will be good, but if Lemmy ever becomes the size of Reddit, even with its differences, it will not be what we want it to be anymore
reddit has the advantage that you need it to make google useful these days
Agreed, but the proportion of users that contributed and made it a positive experience there was significantly smaller.
Quality over quantity.
It doesn't really matter. For one thing, MAU and unique users are different metrics and they're both valid, so if Lemmy is counting verified uniques they can just call it that.
For another, I looked at the data for logged in users and Fedi's MAU is 0.125% of their daily logged in users, so the point stands regardless.
Totally, we don't want numbers for the sake of numbers. We need passionate people who are ready to ditch other mainstream ones for federated alternatives. Then only we can grow.
I super agree, would rather have one decent regular than a thousand average redditors who don't fit the vibe around here
Like Haskell's (unofficial) motto, "Avoid success at all costs". Depending on circumstance, that should be read as "(Avoid success) at all costs" or "Avoid (success at all costs)". We're mostly in the latter condition I think, with only a couple of things (such as DMs) being shoddy enough that success should be avoided.
Reddit is inflating its numbers by a wide margin.
A sub like https://old.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/ has 150k subscribers, but the activity definitely doesn't reflect that compared to !buyeuropean@feddit.uk and the 9k weekly active users
It may or may not be.
It is definitely not inflating its numbers by the orders of magnitude it'd take to make a dent on this particular takeaway.
The problem with (very) low user count is the more nieche things will not have activity.
Yep. Which ends up being why old forums were such tight-knit communities. You ended up hanging out with a handful of people. I'm mostly fine with that. If anything, it requires starting something yourself for your niche interests and being fine with it being dormant most of the time.
I think this is where lemmy/fediverse shines compared to reddit: you can have instances for niche things, yet be able to communicate with other instances. And each instance is free to have their own rules and (de)federate with others. Also the improved tools for searching/posting/modding of lemmy compared with old forums.
Sure. I mean, having a single log-in for all of that is definitely useful, as is being able to chat with others. Defederation as a moderation tool is... overrated, but it is there.
Why do you think defederation is overrated? Genuine curiosity.
Well, for one thing it only works asymmetrically. It's fine if you have a very specific source of issues that you can isolate and cut off, but it's not really useful if what you have is hostile users across the network. And it only protects the larger space. For smaller instances it's a choice between functioning as social media or not existing at all.
It's extremely far from a magic bullet, it is not resilient to large scale, systemic issues and the only reason its limitations haven't been apparent is that the AP ecosystem is too small to suffer most of the issues of larger social media.
Aaaaand it's designed to function via the petty squabbles of FOSS developer arguments, which I hate anyway, but that's a me thing.
ALSO with this model, maybe we can get away from the 24-hour news cycle mentality where a post that's more than a day old is dead. Comment on something from 2 weeks ago!