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"Yes don't vote at all to get rid of fascism"

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[–] archonet@lemy.lol 108 points 4 days ago (16 children)

"Perfect is, in fact, the enemy of good, and if we can't have perfect then we shouldn't settle for good!"

I do so wish their fucking around would limit the finding out to just them, but alas.

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 18 points 4 days ago

No, flipflops don't work at all. My uncle's neighbors former roommate only has 1 toe, so they solve nothing.

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[–] HalfSalesman@lemm.ee 60 points 4 days ago (9 children)

People who refuse to vote when there is a clearly superior option deserve whatever the greater evil brings forth when they win.

[–] tomenzgg@midwest.social 17 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Even when there isn't a clearly superior option; there's no excuse to not vote in the U. S. when the right to vote is such a pivotable portion of your history. We are barely over a half century away; only a mere 60 years. Unconscionable.

[–] Fenrir@lemmings.world 11 points 3 days ago (19 children)

On the one hand, corporatist party, on the other, literal fascists. Yes, clearly there is no superior option.

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[–] Tja@programming.dev 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Aka "have the day you voted for".

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[–] mumblerfish@lemmy.world 56 points 4 days ago (3 children)

In Sweden the far-right tried to play this game. They started chirping about the social democrats being rasist and made a list on like an A4 with names and events. Then the same was done to them, matching the font, their list was taken up a skylift and holding one end they folded it out to the ground in a television program.

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[–] throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works 44 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Inb4 tankies go: "Abraham Lincoln was a racist, LiTEraLlY tHe sAmE as the southern slave owners" 🤡

[–] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 42 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Lately, they have been trying to tell me that North Korea is a democracy.

[–] arrow74@lemm.ee 36 points 4 days ago (11 children)

I mean it is in the name. The DEMOCRATIC People's Republic of Korea.

Dumb libs can't even read

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[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 9 points 4 days ago

Let's not forget the current right winged idiocy claiming he's a current Republican and the Democrats were racist.

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[–] M1ch431@slrpnk.net 25 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

Maybe there would be more than Side A and Side B if we had voting reform and Democrats didn't systematically sue third-parties off the ballot.

People (not just authoritarians) criticize Side A because they have way more tallies than most have been led to believe. Everybody who pays any amount of attention knows that Side B has a lot of tallies. What good comes out of specifically pointing out the tallies of Side B when literally everybody on non-conservative social media is blasted with the knowledge of those tallies? If you want somebody to preach to the choir or inform you about Side B's tallies, just ask. If you think people paying attention to or being informed about Side A's tallies is dangerous and harmful, just say so.

Side A tolerates third-world exploitation (labor, resources, goods) that the US economy still relies on, they tolerate the US economy still relying on slavery and child slavery, they tolerate or support US imperialism and regime change, they refuse to address or come up with solutions for the fresh water crisis (by 2030, demand will exceed supply by 40%), they refuse to properly address many issues that the US people face (the economy, the housing crisis, the health care crisis, etc.), they support harmful policies like fracking, they have allowed corporations/et. al to go out of control under their power, and they generally have not advocated for strong regulation and protections for the American people. Yes, Side B is undesirable, but Side A is insufficient.

If Side A's hands are always tied in a two-party system, then they should impeach the bad actor, push voting/election reform and term limits, and hold fair and democratic primaries and elections. Side A not propping up extreme right-wing candidates (like Trump) and telling the media to take them seriously would be nice, too.

1/3 of Americans don't vote and plenty of people only voted Kamala because they didn't want Trump (and there are other factors than Gaza, misogyny, and Jill Stein voters at play to explain why people didn't come out to vote for her). Plenty of people probably don't want Trump (or anybody like him) if they've been paying any attention and didn't fall for the propaganda.

Side A would get bonus points for not alienating progressives, for supporting the loosening of requirements for ballot access (and stop engaging in lawfare to restrict ballot access), and for supporting fair and inclusive debates on public property where they would have to address perspectives and topics that are potentially uncomfortable or inconvenient for them.

I realize there are plenty of unserious actors who run for president (like Kayne West) who would try their best to poison open debates and abuse expanded ballot access, but there has to be some fair mechanism to filter (openly racist and insane) people like him out. Perhaps a competency test of sorts with independent observation would be appropriate.

And I realize a lot of people find Jill Stein to be harmful (and individuals like her), but maybe we shouldn't arrest her (or any other presidential candidate) and put her in a black site, shackling her to a chair for 8 hours, because she wanted to be present at the presidential debate?

This is an unprecedented time for the American people, with human rights and due process in jeopardy. We are facing multiple serious crises with no solutions or progress in sight - voting and election reform, in addition to term limits, are all urgent and necessary.

I don't care if you want to vote for Side A no matter what — we can only suppress criticism and stay in denial of major issues for so long before (e.g.) the fresh water crisis hits us and humanity is completely and utterly unprepared.

[–] Bamboodpanda@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago

I appreciate the depth of your response. You're right, critiquing Side A doesn't mean endorsing Side B. It means demanding better from those who claim to represent us. The meme calls out false equivalency, but that shouldn't silence legitimate concerns about the system itself.

It’s like this: if the house is on fire, I’ll vote to put out the biggest flame, but I’m also going to ask why the fire keeps spreading, and who’s refusing to fix the wiring. Reform isn’t a distraction; it’s how we stop the next blaze before it starts.

Thanks for adding a more nuanced layer to the conversation.

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[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There's two sides to this argument, and one is wrong and the other is right.

One says "Both sides do it, so it's okay that my side does it."

The other says "Your side does it. A few on my side do it, too. But it doesn't matter, we should stop both sides from doing it."

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[–] wpb@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (15 children)

Wait I'm lost, are we talking foreign invasions done by the US vs foreign invasions done by China? Or the number of victims of Hamas vs the victims of the IDF? What are we counting here? Military bases abroad?

[–] Aabbcc@lemm.ee 17 points 3 days ago (12 children)

What are we counting here?

Evil policies supported by democrats vs evil policies supported by republicans

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[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Both sides'd themselves into proto-fascism. And taking us along for the ride.

Fucking morons.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

People have a hard time with percentages, propensity, likelihood, etc. They can only think in binary terms. I used to think it was the right but looks like it's everyone.

[–] valtia@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

Can we just rename this instance from politicalmemes to tankierants

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago (39 children)

It's crazy the amount of people that think the evil voters are at fault and not the political party that made a wedge issue out of fucking genocide of all things.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 12 points 4 days ago (44 children)

So glad the current guys got in! How's that going for ya btw? That genocide stop? No? It's accelerating? So glad more children can die so you can still confidently hold your nose in the air.

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (8 children)

I hate the current guy even more. It seriously bothers me that the dems lost to him because they thought genocide was more important then you and me. I really wish they would have ran a proper platform, so we didnt have to vote for democracy and genocide at the same time, and still lose.

Keep blaming everyone but them and maybe we can have the same circus next election too. We all just have to come together and accept genocide, apathy and status quo like maybe three or four more times.

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[–] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This isn't entirely new or unique to America, but the dynamic is essentially:

Party A improves the odds fascism is successfully implemented.

Party B implements it.

Reducing the conditions for fascism to take hold is strictly off the table for both A and B.

Fundamentally changing the system of Party A (or B for that matter) through voting alone would at least require a Party C.

But even so it is the internal party politics prior to and outside of elections that are keeping this fascism paradigm in place. And that's where people's frustrations tend to lie.

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago (3 children)
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[–] LoveSausage@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Man fascists are delusional , scratch a liberal and all that...

[–] piefood@feddit.online 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children)

I don't know that I've ever seen anyone say that both sides are the same. I have seen people (when talking about the US) call out when both sides do the same things, such as: Put forth rapists and child-killers as candidates, back a genocide, send people to torture prisons, refuse to fix the healthcare system, etc.

B is indeed worse than A, but I've seen too many people use that to pretend that one side is "actually good", instead of being able to see that both sides are bad.

[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Then you haven't been here long enough.

According to tankies, both sides are liberal.

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[–] lena@gregtech.eu 13 points 4 days ago

Well said, both sides are bad, but one is so much worse than the other

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