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Troubled robot vacuum-cleaner maker iRobot, abandoned by Amazon after regulators effectively doomed the web giant's takeover offer, has warned investors it may not survive the next 12 months.

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[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 156 points 19 hours ago (5 children)

Hmm so this entire trick of setting up companies just to be bought by mega corps appears to be not a viable strategy if anti trust law is enforced?

Edit: apparently this company was set up before sell to mega corp craze got kicked off. I don't think changes the thesis but this case study doesn't support it with the strength I suggested

Hmm as if last 30 years of corpo behavior has been essentially to maintain mega corp dominance via captured regulators and legislators

We got the capitalism alright but where is the free market at, daddy?

[–] Glitchvid@lemmy.world 80 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

Don't worry, the new strategy is to string a company along with talks of a buyout, then when their cash runs out and they declare bankruptcy, to buy all the assets on fire sale.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 23 points 19 hours ago

Owners of the take over target shoulda worked harder and maybe ate less avocado toast?

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 42 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

setting up companies just to be bought by mega corps

iRobot was originally founded all the way back in 1990 and have sold quite a lot of Roomba vacuums, advancing innovation in home automation along the way. I don’t think anyone can ever say that they set up this company for a quick flip corpo pump and dump.

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[–] upandup@sh.itjust.works 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The market is “free” to fuck you and everyone you know on the ass.

Didn’t you know that’s what “free market“ means?

[–] Bellingdog@lemmy.world 9 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I do, in fact, dislike being fucked on the ass.

[–] upandup@sh.itjust.works 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I like it, myself, but not when it’s a major global multi billion dollar corporation doing it.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 9 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

The operative word here is consent haha

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 93 points 18 hours ago (11 children)

(I know I didn't contribute shit & just complain but) ... isn't it a bit weird how after all this time there arent any good open sauce diy robot kits?

Like, materials, sensors, brushes, filters, batteries, etc are all cheaply available, a basic board could literally be just cut plywood with the rest is the things mounted on top (who even needs a cover?). And ofc one could mount various weapons mod on it.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 74 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

There is https://valetudo.cloud/ for a lot of existing models, it's about the closest thing we have.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 17 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh fuck, ~~I'm gonna~~ I might test this.
I've never heard of it before, but the more I read the more I like it.

Thx!

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I have it on a Roborock S5 and it works great, so much more stable than the original firmware that requires an internet connection.

Certain models can be harder to root though, so read through the description and guide thoroughly first.

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[–] onoki@reddthat.com 14 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

"for a lot of models" is a bit of an exaggeration. Especially as Xiaomi/Dreame try to actively restrict Valetudo use.

But yes, Valetudo is a great project. I'd just wish there was a manufacturer who would openly endorse it.

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[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 17 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Go ahead and make one then. Nobody is stopping you from being the first.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 29 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

... I'm that, my best is what is stopping me :(.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 17 points 15 hours ago

Popular Science had an "open source" robot lawnmower plans in the...80s? I have it somewhere. Old enough that it used deep cycle lead-acid batteries and spinning round dremel blades. No laser to cut the grass, although it did use LEDs for sensors for grass height.

[–] turkalino@lemmy.yachts 11 points 10 hours ago (6 children)

I love DIY tech projects and yet I would never go through the effort to make a robot vacuum because vacuuming is already the easiest chore in the house. You kinda just stand there and go swoop swoop swoop a few times. Takes like 3 minutes to do an entire room. As opposed to listening to the robot vacuum rumble around for an hour and do a half ass job, if it even finishes without getting spooked by a shadow thinking it’s a 100ft cliff

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[–] kane@femboys.biz 58 points 19 hours ago (7 children)

Their products require their app, would this effectively turn their devices useless when the servers die?

I know it supports a single button to start cleaning, but I wonder if that will work properly without being able to call home.

Might be time for people to look for alternatives.

[–] TheGreatSnacku@lemm.ee 43 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

It technically still works without the app but it loses features that increase the efficiency of the map, tells it where not to clean, scheduled cleaning, etc.

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 20 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

So basically anything that makes it more useful than just doing it yourself.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Everything that makes it better than a generic copy, yes

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[–] psoul@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

I assume this will brick all Roombas past the 800 series. All the scheduling, advanced mapping features etc are hosted on AWS. You’ll be able to press clean to start but that’s pretty much it… That’s unless they open up their software which they probably won’t

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[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 11 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

You can root a lot of the earlier ones.

The alternatives are Chinese, or vacuum your own floors... Nobody wants to do that

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[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 53 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (7 children)

It would be great if more smart devices had a LAN-only control mode like my 3D printer, TV and AV receiver.

I would be perfectly happy if my iRobot phone app only worked from inside my network.

[–] domi@lemmy.secnd.me 17 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

Doesn't apply to iRobot but there are lots of robot vacuums that can be flashed with an open firmware with just a USB UART cable: https://valetudo.cloud/pages/general/supported-robots.html

As for the other devices, my 3D printer, projector and AV receiver are all locally controlled.

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 14 points 9 hours ago

At that point, I wouldn't trust ANY device that cannot be controlled locally, either natively or at least through some hacks.

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 53 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Another company squandering their patents and market advantage. Reminds me of TiVo.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago

I love my TiVo. I had to find someone to repair my current unit because it's an antenna version. They don't have/make new antenna versions.

[–] psoul@lemmy.world 11 points 18 hours ago

This. I know someone who used to work there. They wouldn’t enforce the patents in China to the point where you could drop in Roomba subassemblies in competitor robots and they would still work…

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

I'm a bit of a diy and repair nerd for damned near anything. I have a near 20 year old roomba 530 model that still works great. Back then and for a good many years roombas were hands down the best bang for your buck. I haven't recommended them for the past decade. They fell behind in ability and build quality. Let alone any of the privacy concerns stuff. Damned shame.

[–] freely1333@reddthat.com 16 points 13 hours ago

Patiently awaiting Congress to ban any Chinese robot vacuums out of national security risk

[–] zenpocalypse@lemm.ee 12 points 14 hours ago

Had an old one that kinda works but is a pain. More recently, we splurged on a more modern pet version with Wi-Fi and all the bells.

It was fantastic. And 3 weeks in, couldn't stay connected to the network even right beside the router and was doing constant very short runs before returning to the dock saying it was full.

Returned it.

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (3 children)

Mozilla gave them an OK privacy rating. Not great, but not terrible.

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[–] bouncing_blob@sh.itjust.works 35 points 19 hours ago

my first thought was aren't they a part of the Military Industrial Complex, how could they possibly go bankrupt? It turns out they sold off that part of their business in 2016 to private equity. Oops.

[–] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 27 points 2 hours ago

The free market is supposed to make this happen. The problem is that we have also built a system that just generates mountains of junk and e-waste. Because our government is feckless and refuses to actually regulate, ya know, anything with a shareholder attached.

[–] imetators@lemm.ee 21 points 5 hours ago (6 children)

Haha. Ofc with these prices and features compared to some other good Chinese and other brands roomba is doomed. Like check vacuum wars on YT. Middle model roombas are on par with your typical Chinese brand robots but price is double. Basically, you pay for a brand 🤷.

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[–] StinkySocialist@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

So the Roomba I bought in 2021 is gonna stop working come 2026... Guess I need an open source vacuum now too 😩

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[–] cyd@lemmy.world 16 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Pretty much inevitable. Nowadays there are so many robot vacuum cleaners from different brands, and everyone has more or less figured out the tech so they all work pretty well. (I have a Roborock, and have nothing to say about it other than it keeps the floors clean and doesn't cause me any grief.) There's no moat, so consumer market success is purely a matter of manufacturing and cost efficiency, and iRobot obviously would have a huge upfill fight against Samsung, Xiaomi, and a thousand other light consumer goods makers.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 9 points 11 hours ago

I bought a roborock Q Revo the other week, and it works great at vacuuming and mopping.

I changed its spoken language to Chinese though, to remind me who I'm living with.

I thought this was a funny gag, until I changed my router and wifi, and then had to update the robots wifi connection with all the voice prompts in chinese

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[–] lamyipming@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago

Their products are like 5 years behind their competitors. It's inevitable.

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago

I’m glad my old, non-smart one still works fine. It slams into things and says, “Roomba needs help” or something when it eats a sock or wire I missed. But at least it will outlast the company’s servers.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 hours ago

So my vacuum will likely not work in 12 months. Niiiice.

[–] zonnewin@feddit.nl 11 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

Any European alternatives?

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago

I rarely use mine, but can I block them from using the Internet and they'll still work?

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