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Why are peole hating on .world? (lemmy.world)
submitted 6 months ago by ChilledPeppers@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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I've seen around 3 occasions of that this week, altho I have never seen anything like it before.

if I remember correctly they were:

  • smack talking a mod (FlyingSquid) for saying not to report the same comment twice, when they were different comments, and the report was spam
  • someone comparing .world with .ml in politics (as in there was a comment saying "this post will be overrun with .ml people, and then a comment going "but you are from .world") (Maybe Im part of the problem? I have been called out for being a fascist because I questioned the "puching nazis" theme)
  • one more which I can't remember.

Anyways, what is all that about? Are people really starting to hate on 50% of the lemmy population because of their instance?

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[–] oce@jlai.lu 1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

It's a battle of political ideologies.

ml is administered by the creators of Lemmy, they are openly socialist/communist/tankie depending on your own ideology, ml was chosen to represent Marxism-Leninism, and so the people it attracted are generally also adhering to this kind of ideologies.
.world was created for Redditors exile, as such, it is mostly center-left to social democrat.

Political extremists tend to extremise everything, typically a tankie will call you a Nazi/fascist if you disagree with them. That's one of your answer.

Secondly, some ml people are frustrated that Lemmy is not their own little thing anymore for them and their friends, as world is the biggest instance now by far. So they show some kind of instance-xenophobia, not much different from the Great Replacement theory: "we are being culturally replaced through mass migration".

Not all .ml people are like that of course. In my experience, it is enough to block a few tankies to get back to civilized discussions.

[–] sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

I made the mistake of being an anarchist on ml and hexbear.

Waay, waaaaaay too many tankies getting insanely pissed off and swarm when you criticize (point out obvious facts, really) any non US/Western countries or allies along anarchist lines.

It rapidly devolves into idpol, rants and tirades that are barely related to the topic or comment, Fox News style 'I'm just asking questions in good faith' which are obviously not in good faith if you're older than maybe 10.

I dare someone to go ml or grad or hex and attempt to have a serious and thorough conversation about the Sino-Vietnamese war. Or Uighurs. Or the Holodomor. Or whether the concept of self-determination applies to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Palestine at the same time.

I remember at one point explaining a meme that popped up on some China's social media site that boiled down to 'Deng Xiaoping's reforms have led to Chinese women craving giant Black cocks', and all of them being just fine with incels and racism when its not Westerners doing it.

Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have 'communists' arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin. Although that is more rare, it does happen.

EDIT: Its somewhat sad, as it is great fun when everyone is dogpiling on some new latest insane western neocolonialism or corporate incompetence/hellscape type stuff, but I treat those places like Ravenholm:

We don't go there anymore.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Or whether the concept of self-determination applies to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Palestine at the same time.

That's the hypocrisy that pisses me off the most. I don't know how someone can support resistance by any means for Palestinians but seriously suggest Ukrainians are nazis for resisting an imperialist invasion.

PS: there's at least 2 anarchist instances on Lemmy 😉

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Slightly off topic, is db0 one of the anarchist instances you're referring to? I know it's a generally leftist instance, but don't know much more detail than that

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yes, that's my instance :) it's run by anarchists and has an anarchist CoC and general vibe. slrpnk is the second.

[–] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm such a dunce, I didn't spot your username 🤦

Thought I was asking a db0 random, not the NaN himself

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago

I like db0 because it reminds of how cool the 'you wouldn't download a car' commercials made piracy look. They were right, it is cool.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have ‘communists’ arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin

That's an instaban from hb, grad, and .ml, did you report that post?

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

I've seen bans there for Calling out horseshoe theory. As if it's a slur

[–] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Anarchists aren't allowed to report queerphobia on Hexbear. Because Hexbear keeps banning anarchists.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

This is false. Anti-AES anarchists are banned, because sectarianism is banned.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have ‘communists’ arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin. Although that is more rare, it does happen.

If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.

The culture where these sorts of blatant lies are accepted without question is my biggest problem with .world. You can have whatever actual beliefs you want, but lying like this is really despicable.

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

I have had way more issues with .ml communities than .world

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

ML was basically designed to be an echo chamber, it’s right there in the name.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

.world is the one that "preemptively defederated HB and grad, as a last resort" due to such scary views as opposing NATO and the IMF.

[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

There are sophisticated and nuanced critiques to be made of Western power projection, soft and hard. "Nuanced" and "sophisticated" are not words appropriate to the average hexbear or lemmygrad denizen's take on geopolitics, and for those of us who live in the real world rather than living to argue over how many Maos can dance on the tip of the icepick that killed Trotsky, the loud and unrelenting naysaying of anything less extreme than "armed proletarian revolution now!" got to be incredibly tiresome, not to mention the constant cheerleading of brutally-repressive regimes that don't have any values in common with actual socialists or communists just because they oppose the US and its allies.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

The constant cheerleading of brutally-repressive regimes that don't have any values in common with actual socialists or communists just because they oppose the US and its allies.

This is my main issue with tankies. Yeah, late-stage capitalism sucks and exploits the layman to enrich the rich further—I take no issue with that. It's the knob-slobbering of Putin, Xi Jinping, and Kim Jong Un that makes no sense. Modern-day Russia, China, and North Korea have about as much in common with communism as oat milk has with milk: nothing but the name.

[–] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 1 points 6 months ago

“Nazis” flooding lemmy to replace the poor tankies (c. 2023):

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[–] Soup@lemmy.cafe 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I’ve yet to see anyone in .world ban someone simply for having a political affiliation. The tankie communities flat-out ban for being “liberal.”

Granted, it’s been a while since I e seen this happen, the admins/mods there do not hide their bias.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A lot of this boils down to consequences of lemmy.world being the largest instance: typical Reddit users beeline for it, trolls go there, larger comms so more frequent issues with moderation, people who fail to distinguish between "we shouldn't concentrate our activity into the largest instance" and "largest instance bad! EDIT WOW THANKS FOR LE GOLD TO LE KNEE KIND STRANGER!", so goes on.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Back when reddit* was just starting to fall to shit, I had already been dipping my toes in the mastodon water, and while I really liked the instance I was on it did not have enough people on it to properly surface good collections of off node traffic.

Knowing that Mastodon had the problem, I didn't dick around with smaller nodes. To be honest it's still a fight if you're on a node with only a handful of people, you have to do something to mitigate the lack of community traffic in the face of lacking discoverability.

[–] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

.world is the biggest instance and therefore a prime choice for trolls to create accounts. Most of the trash posts I’ve seen lately are from brand new users on lemmy.world

I am equally suspicious of brand new lemmy.world users as I am of veterans of lemmy.ml. Older accounts on .world are usually pretty normal.

[–] aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is why I chose lemmynsfw. No one doubts our intent

[–] credo@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

I want to upvote you, but your tally is at 69 right now.

[–] freeman@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Its an incredibly pro US biased instance despite not being hosted in the US and having a .world domain.

Greatest hits are politics@lemmy.world forbidding non-US topics and of course news@lemmy.world and its bias check bot according to which every non US media is left wing biased.

[–] fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc 1 points 6 months ago

God that fucking bot.

The bot itself is only mildly offensive, but the fieflord bot-love is just repugnant.

About a month ago news did a "feedback about the bot" thing, in which they declared undying love for the bot above all things and declared any input other than breathless support for the bot to be vote manipulated misinformation.

There were about 3 mods involved, all contradicting each other, and themselves, very condescending, and very sooky and sulky. "One of the mods almost resigned over this!" kind of stuff.

You had to start every comment with "look I know you guys are doing your best and investing all your free time as volunteers but..."

[–] Invertedouroboros@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, considering the right wing hellscape our (US) Overton window overlooks the bias bot might actually have a point.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Oh no. Just no. We've found more than enough cases of bias to call it unreliable at best and a cover for washing conservative sources at the worst.