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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 152 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ah. So now we're merely 'licensing' physical hardware we paid for and have in our homes. right?

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You always have with Nintendo products. They have always had very aggressive licensing practices. In the early days they were more flexing them on developers, but it does not surprise me that in the wake of everyone telling them that modding and emulators can be explicitly legal that they would turn that particularly litigious aspect of their family friendly brand on the customers.

[–] Strider@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Afaik not in Europe. But the details are probably messy.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 125 points 1 day ago
[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 89 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't seem how threatening to brick a device is intended to help you sell more of them. Like I was seriously considering buying a Switch 2 even recently, but this is really the nail in the coffin. Why should I pay money for something that could stop working on their whims? Because it's not like these measures have been 100% accurate in the past.

[–] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 38 points 1 day ago

Because it's not like these measures have been 100% accurate in the past.

This is the part that really frustrates me. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of the wording here. Account ban? Sure, against TOS, etc. But affecting the device is a whole other story. Especially when prior account bans have come under dubious circumstances.

[–] arakhis_@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

youre not the exploitable target audience.

like legit 100% evil intent, cant even argue against that

[–] Yermaw@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago (12 children)

The target audience still goes online. Generally Facebook and mumsnet. Wait til it happens to one of them and the stories go round like wildfire.

With that market, especially at big luxury prices like a console, you exist solely on good faith.

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[–] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 68 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah, definitely gonna stop those pirates who soft/hardmod their systems and never connect to the Internet/run updates in order to dump their games or play pirated copies or whatever they wanna do! That'll stop them!

/s

Edit:

This seems to be more about their online account services and their updated privacy policy than anything else, but I still think my point stands, just not for this article.

[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The problem is when a new game is released that requires an update to a later firmware version.

I think I’ve had it before where the updates applied to the system from the game card.

Unless I misunderstood what was happening. We will have to wait for someone to figure that out.

I’m rooting for someone to home brew the switch 2 ASAP

[–] tiramichu@lemm.ee 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

You'll probably have a while to wait.

The Switch 1 was able to run homebrew due to a hardware exploit in the CPU which allowed injection of arbitrary code. The interesting thing about that vulnerability being that since it was a hardware vulnerability, it couldn't be patched out even after it was discovered.

Following that incident, I'm sure Nintendo has been working especially hard to ensure there are no similar vulnerabilities existing on the Switch 2.

That said, console hackers are an amazingly creative and talented bunch, so I wouldn't be surprised by anything.

[–] ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago

Hard to say. Consoles have certainly gotten more sercure and people finding vulnerabilities are far less likely to just give them out for free these days

But there is incentive to hack any console and nintendo has historically attracted the biggest dorks. Additionally they also seem to historically make pretty huge blunders, though the switch exploit was nvidias fault tbf

[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I’m pretty sure all Nintendo consoles have had a problem with being hacked. As far back as the Wii, people were able to run hombrew pretty quickly.

I think Nintendo just sucks at console security or maybe they are a bigger target due to their exclusives.

[–] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Ever since I learned about the RGH Xbox 360 mod I’ve just assumed every console will be cracked and emulated no matter what. People are fucking clever.

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[–] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Firmware is dumped almost immediately as well, not a big deal to update a switch offline.

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At this point I'm surprised Nintendo still allows people to play their games at their own homes, and not exclusively in official Nintendo-branded Play Rooms that only exist in like 6 places outside Tokyo and costs $20/hr to rent.

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[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 61 points 1 day ago (5 children)

So a few years ago I wanted to play a Japanese version of a rhythm game that isn't available to purchase in the USA and decided to try my hand at modding my switch for this one game.

After(poorly) doing it, I wasn't able to play that game AND Nintendo bricked me. All my games on my switch that I purchased were unable to download or play anymore.

So I went and set out to mod my switch correctly.

Now if I actually wanted to give Nintendo money, they won't allow me to. So my only option from then on is to pirate.

They basically turned a potentially paying customer to a non paying customer.

[–] Quexotic@infosec.pub 38 points 1 day ago (8 children)

So, this is a basic security principle. If the system of access is too "secure" or too inconvenient, people will create workarounds.

Need keys for all the doors every second of every day? You'll find duct tape on all the latches.

Password is 15 characters and changes every 60 days? You're going to find post-its under keyboards.

Spread all digital content across 8 streaming providers that cost about $180/y? Torrent time.

Nintendo wants to brick users for trying to play an out of region game they paid for? They'll never pay again and will reverse engineering your shit out of spite.

Same thing we saw with the music industry utterly failing to embrace internet distribution. Limewire and bearshare are their fucking lunch.

When will they learn to just make access easy? People, generally, would rather pay than pirate but when you start making shit difficult, nobody wants to play your games anymore and you see massive losses.

Meet your customers where they're at!

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[–] thermal_shock@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Similar here. Bricked my kids switch, so we modded it. Now we have ALL the games.

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[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Next time just use a Switch emulator. Sudachi is a good one.

You can even download Fitgirl Repacks of Switch titles that include the emulator already set up and ready to go. Literally just a one click install and you're playing.

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[–] Zahille7@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago

Well that's some fucking bullshit.

[–] kadup@lemmy.world 38 points 1 day ago

They can "reserve the right" all they want, that's illegal where I live, and they sell their devices officially here. I'd love to see them trying to hold this stance in court - even Apple lost here over a similar issue, so go right ahead and try.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (4 children)

At this point I want Switch 2 to flop so hard they go the way of the Sega and start licensing their IPs on other platforms, giving up on consoles. A shame, too, since their tech is little kid hand friendly and the PC market doesn't seem keen on tiny screen handhelds.

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[–] arakhis_@feddit.org 37 points 1 day ago

or alternatively communicated: “You will own nothing and you will be happy”

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago

Pretty sure that's illegal in most parts of Europe. Checking the article it says that the policy has only been updated in the UK and the US.

Sucks to be a country without adequate consumer protection, I guess.

[–] mrfriki@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can’t wait for Yuzu 2 to come out.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Apparently Torzo exists already!

Also knowing how butthurt Nintendo is rn it probably means Switch 2 is vulnerable to emulation so not that long probably.

[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 29 points 21 hours ago

Oh, you thought you owned that thing you bought? No. This is 2025. You own nothing. It doesn’t matter how much money you gave them. Yeah, gave them. Because you didn’t buy that stuff. You’re just borrowing it.

[–] VirgilMastercard@reddthat.com 24 points 1 day ago

I'm gonna pirate some Nintendo games just out of spite, really.

[–] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 22 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

That's it, I'm going to skip Switch 2 and get a Steam Deck next. And I'll stick to stuff that can run Dolphin.

(Learns that Xbox Series can also run Dolphin without modding) Well shit, I'm set for life, now just need to sort out the portable console situation

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[–] bread@feddit.nl 22 points 1 day ago

I've been pretty consistently buying Nintendo consoles, but I'm not buying this one. Not just because of this, but I challenge these assholes to brick the device I end up playing their games on.

[–] PeterisBacon@lemm.ee 20 points 22 hours ago

Cool! Time to go to the sea for more nintendo stuff! Good think you cant brick a device you dont have control over 😘

[–] midori_matcha@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

I'd like to say their legalese is written in a way that covers more ground in the US, the most litigious country in the world. I would imagine if this was taken to court, their lawyers would argue that "permanently unusable in whole or in part" includes a console serial ban from NSO, or argue that it's the user's fault for bricking the console when they attempted to mod it, and Nintendo is therefore not liable or obligated to fix it.

But between the UK-ToS and US-ToS, Nintendo just straight up tells Americans that they themselves are going to break your damn console if you do a thing they don't like. That is absolutely dystopian.

[–] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I’ve recently decided to complete all the games we’ve bought on our family Switch before allowing myself to get a Steam Deck alongside my Ps5.

While Nintendo has some very good games, I think I’ll never buy again from them.

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[–] ConstantPain@lemmy.world 18 points 10 hours ago

Sony tried that in Brazil, but it didn't go as planned. The court ordered them to unbrick it, but they had to provide a new console because they couldn't unbrick it. And they paid damages.

[–] carrion0409@lemm.ee 17 points 20 hours ago

Well I also reserve the right to not buy their underpowered shit.

i mean if i had a specific nintendo console for pirated games, i wouldn't connect it to the internet

[–] Nima@leminal.space 16 points 1 day ago

i can't wait to pirate their new switch 2 games 🥰 its gonna be awesome.

[–] mriswith@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Wait, it doesn't appear to be the same within the EU.

Both the French and German EULA seems to say that if you alter a digital product, the digital product might be rendered unusable. Although my French and German is bad, so someone please double check.

[–] anarchyrabbit@lemmy.world 13 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

That's cool. I'll install Torzu on my ROG ally and play all the fucking switch games I want to.

[–] chemicalprophet@slrpnk.net 11 points 1 day ago

Fuck tinendo.

[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That corporation is still stuck in 1985 or 1989 (otherwise stuck in the Showa Era), trying to keep absolute control of anything it made.

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[–] SoloCritical@lemm.ee 8 points 19 hours ago

Nintendo emailed me today saying something like they changed their EULA and if I didn’t do anything then it counts as accepting the new EULA unless I close my account. Haven’t had a switch in years, didn’t even like it and gave it away. Anyway I closed my Nintendo account immediately.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

I know it should have been earlier, but that really is the last straw for buying Nintendo products for me.

what a shame.

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